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From: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>
To: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, Grzegorz Milos <gm281@cam.ac.uk>,
	Patrick Colp <pjcolp@cs.ubc.ca>,
	Andrew Peace <Andrew.Peace@eu.citrix.com>,
	George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: Ian Pratt <Ian.Pratt@eu.citrix.com>,
	Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@novell.com>
Subject: Memory fragmentation, order>0 allocation, and 4.0 dynamic RAM optimization features
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:13:55 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7b9201fb-b0ad-4e4f-9c95-b9bc637e362c@default> (raw)

In a recent thread:

http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2010-02/msg00295.html

Jan Beulich points out that the memory fragmentation that results
from Transcendent Memory ("tmem") sometimes causes problems for
domain creation and PV migration because the shadow code requires
order=2 allocations and the domain struct is order=4.

Though tmem accelerates fragmentation, I *think* this fragmentation
can occur with page sharing/swapping, and possibly PoD.  In fact,
I think it can occur even with just ballooning.

I think the domain struct issue should be relatively easy to
resolve (though maybe with a large patch), but the shadow code
may be much harder.

But unless the shadow code is also fixed, theoretically 75% of RAM
could be "free" but domain creation/migration failures may occur,
reported only as insufficient memory.

Clearly it's too late to fix this for 4.0 but, given that 4.0-based
product announcements are likely to emphasize the new 4.0 memory
optimization technologies, it might be good to resolve it very
early in 4.1/xen-unstable development.

Comments?

Are there other known order>0 allocations that might result
in similar issues?

Thanks,
Dan

             reply	other threads:[~2010-02-08 18:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-08 18:13 Dan Magenheimer [this message]
2010-02-08 19:11 ` Memory fragmentation, order>0 allocation, and 4.0 dynamic RAM optimization features Keir Fraser
2010-02-09 10:50   ` Tim Deegan
2010-02-09 13:13 ` Jan Beulich
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-02-18  8:04 Jan Beulich
2010-02-18 16:09 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-02-18 16:18   ` Jan Beulich
2010-02-18 17:32     ` Dan Magenheimer

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