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From: Oleksandr Dmytryshyn <oleksandr.dmytryshyn@globallogic.com>
To: Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	jinsong.liu@alibaba-inc.com, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	jacob.shin@amd.com,
	Andrii Tseglytskyi <andrii.tseglytskyi@globallogic.com>
Subject: Re: cpufreq implementation for OMAP under xen hypervisor.
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 12:08:09 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAN58jis_Vws=tewrRkswCQC6FMLO5XNK9Ly__v0VDPr4Xd++hw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1409241534200.22344@kaball.uk.xensource.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Stefano Stabellini
<stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Oleksandr Dmytryshyn wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
>> <konrad.wilk@oracle.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 07:35:47PM +0100, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014, Andrii Tseglytskyi wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 22:41 +0100, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>> >> > > > On Tue, 9 Sep 2014, Ian Campbell wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Thu, 2014-09-04 at 22:56 +0100, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>> >> > > > > > I am trying to think of an alternative, such as passing the real cpu
>> >> > > > > > nodes to dom0 but then adding status = "disabled", but I am not sure
>> >> > > > > > whether Linux checks the status for cpu nodes.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > status = "disabled" is defined to have a specific (i.e. non-default)
>> >> > > > > meaning for cpu nodes, Julien mentioned this when I tried to add a
>> >> > > > > similar patch to Xen to ignore them. I think it basically means "present
>> >> > > > > but not running, you should start them!".
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > >  In addition this scheme
>> >> > > > > > wouldn't support the case where dom0 has more vcpus than pcpus on the
>> >> > > > > > system. Granted it is not very common and might even be detrimental for
>> >> > > > > > performances, but we should be able to support it.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > It's a bit of an edge case, for sure. I guess it wouldn't be totally
>> >> > > > > unreasonable to say that if you use this sort of configuration you may
>> >> > > > > not get cpufreq support.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Ian, what do you think about this?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > All the options suck in one way or another AFAICT. I think we are going
>> >> > > > > to be looking for the least bad solution not necessarily a good one.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Fundamentally are we trying to avoid having to have a i2c subsystem etc
>> >> > > > > in the hypervisor to be be able to change the voltages before/after
>> >> > > > > changing the frequency?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > We can't just say "that's part of the cpufreq driver" since different
>> >> > > > > boards using the same SoC might use different voltage regulators, over
>> >> > > > > i2c or some other bus etc, so we end up with a matrix.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > It's arguable that we should be letting dom0 poke at that regulator
>> >> > > > > functionality anyway, at least not all of it. Taking that ability away
>> >> > > > > would necessarily imply more platform specific functionality in the
>> >> > > > > hypervisor.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Right.
>> >> > > > I am afraid that in order to avoid more code in Xen, we end up with an
>> >> > > > unmaintainable interface and unupstreamable hacks in dom0.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That's what I'm worried about to. Hence I'm wondering if we should just
>> >> > > do this in the hypervisor.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Although there are a myriad of them the parts used to do voltage control
>> >> > > tend to be fairly simple.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > One concern I have is that i2c busses also tend to have other things on
>> >> > > them which dom0 might legitimately access (e.g. rtc), I'm not sure what
>> >> > > to suggest here.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would try to avoid i2c transactions in Xen. I2C driver is quite
>> >> > complicated in Linux kernel. It consists of several parts - common
>> >> > core + platform specific. I'm pretty sure Xen should not handle this.
>> >> > I think that establishing of event channel for frequency changing is a
>> >> > good idea. It would be good to try to implement this. In process of
>> >> > implementation we will see what is need to be resolved.
>> >>
>> >> OK, that's reasonable.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > The only question here is how to pass physical cpu to dom0.
>> >>
>> >> We can use a device tree based interface to pass the information to
>> >> dom0, but requiring a number of dom0 vcpus equal to the number of
>> >> physical cpus and in addition to that having to pin the vcpus each to a
>> >> different pcpu is quite a stringent limitation. However I don't know the
>> >> frequency changing interfaces in Linux well enough to know how hard
>> >> would be to lift it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Regarding x86.
>> >> > I'm not sure but maybe ACPI interface encapsulate voltage changing as well?
>> >>
>> >> I think so (but I am not an expert on that).
>> >
>> > The usual states are P and C states. The P states is the closes to what you
>> > are looking at:
>> >
>> > struct acpi_processor_px {
>> >         u64 core_frequency;     /* megahertz */
>> >         u64 power;      /* milliWatts */
>> >         u64 transition_latency; /* microseconds */
>> >         u64 bus_master_latency; /* microseconds */
>> >         u64 control;    /* control value */
>> >         u64 status;     /* success indicator */
>> > };
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Andrii
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> > Andrii Tseglytskyi | Embedded Dev
>> >> > GlobalLogic
>> >> > www.globallogic.com
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Xen-devel mailing list
>> >> Xen-devel@lists.xen.org
>> >> http://lists.xen.org/xen-devel
>>
>>
>>                     Cpufreq driver implementation.
>>                                  ____________
>>                                 /            \
>>                                 | xenpm tool |
>>                                 \____________/
>>  Dom0 kernel user-space
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>                           ________________               _____
>>                          /                \             /     \  CPU
>>                          | DevTree Parser |          /->| ARM | driver
>>                          \________________/          |  \_____/
>>  Dom0 kernel                                         |     |
>> -----------------------------------------------------|-----|---------------
>>                                                      |     |
>>               _____________________________________  |     |
>>              |     __________        ___________   | |     |
>>              |    /          \      /           \  | |     |
>>              |    | ondemand |      | userspace |  | |     |
>>  Registered  |    \__________/      \___________/  | |     |
>>   cpufreq    |   _____________       ___________   | |     |
>>  governor    |  /             \     /           \  | |     |
>>              |  | performance |     | powersave |  | |     |
>>              |  \_____________/     \___________/  | |     |
>>              |_____________________________________| |     |
>>                                ^                     |     |
>>                                |                     |     |
>>                          ______|_______              |     |
>>                         /              \             |     |  Change
>>                         | cpufreq core |-------------/     | frequency
>>                         \______________/ set/get freq      |
>>                                          commands          |
>>  Xen                                                       |
>> -----------------------------------------------------------|--------------
>>  Hardware                                                __V__
>>                                                         |     |
>>                                                         | CPU |
>>                                                         |_____|
>>
>>
>> Description of the implementation:
>> Cpufreq core and registered cpufreq governors are located in xen. Dom0
>> has CPU driver
>> which can only change frequency of the physical CPUs. In addition this driver
>> can change CPUs regulator voltage. I'll reuse some ACPI-specific
>> variables for ARM.
>> Thus I can make minimum modification in the xen cpufreq driver and all utilities
>> (as xenpm) will be working without modification if the xen code. In first
>> implementation xenpm tool won't show information about C-states, but it can show
>> information about P-states and can change cpufreq parameters and
>> change governor.
>> DevTree parser is a part of the CPU driver in Dom0 and it will read information
>> from /cpus/cpu@0/private_data path instead of the original /cpus path.
>>
>> Steps of the initialization:
>> 1. Xen copies all cpu@0..cpu@N nodes (from input device tree) with properties to
>> /cpus/cpu@0/private_data node (device tree for Dom0). Thus we can have
>> any number
>> of VCPUs in Dom0 and we give all information about all physical CPUs in
>> the private_data node.
>>
>> 2. Driver in Dom0 will parse /cpus/cpu@0/private_data path instead of the /cpus
>> path and give the information about CPUs parameters to the hypervisor via
>> XENPF_set_processor_pminfo hypercall. (Some parameters are calculated in the
>> Dom0 driver and can not be calculated  in the hypervisor).
>>
>> 3. Cpufreq core driver in the hypervisor will communicate via some interface
>> with Dom0 (event channel can be used to notify Dom0) and give some commands
>> to the CPU driver in Dom0. Those command are set/get frequency, etc.
>>
>> Can I implement cpufreq driver in this way?
>
> The architecture looks sane to me. As Konrad pointed out, the difficulty
> here is to be able to upstream the changes to the Linux driver in 2),
> that you later in the thread identified as
> drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq-cpu0.c.
I'll write driver drivers/xen/xen-cpufreq.c and it replace original
drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.c
And in the original cpufreq-cpu0 driver I'll chande only one string -
path in the device tree
with the settings for the CPUs opp:
string
np = of_find_node_by_path("/cpus/cpu@0");
will changed to:
np = of_find_node_by_path("/cpus/cpu@0/private_data/cpu@0");

> If the changes are not invasive and you manage to upstream them in
> Linux, I am all for this solution.
In Linux kernel I should make few changes:
1. Enable CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_TABLE
with disabled CONFIG_CPU_FREQ
2. Enable CONFIG_GENERIC_CPUFREQ_CPU0
with disabled CONFIG_CPU_FREQ

I mean make those configs dependent on
CONFIG_CPU_FREQ or CONFIX_XEN_DOM0
instead of
CONFIG_CPU_FREQ

Oleksandr Dmytryshyn | Product Engineering and Development
GlobalLogic
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-25  9:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-12 10:57 cpufreq implementation for OMAP under xen hypervisor Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-08-12 12:15 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-08-12 12:19   ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-08-19 14:02   ` Vitaly V. Ch
2014-08-21 23:05     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-08-22 14:21       ` Vitaly Chernooky
2014-08-22 16:20         ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-08-21 11:00   ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-08-21 23:31     ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-08-22  9:02       ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-08-22 16:31         ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-08-22 16:51           ` Ian Campbell
2014-08-29 13:25           ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-08-29 15:08             ` Andrii Tseglytskyi
2014-09-02  1:00               ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-02  9:06                 ` Vitaly Chernooky
2014-09-02 15:43                 ` Andrii Tseglytskyi
2014-09-02 18:39                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-02 18:46                     ` Andrii Tseglytskyi
2014-09-04 14:43                       ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-04 21:56                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-09 10:19                           ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-09 21:52                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-09 10:32                           ` Ian Campbell
2014-09-09 21:41                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-10  9:42                               ` Ian Campbell
2014-09-10 10:19                                 ` Andrii Tseglytskyi
2014-09-10 18:35                                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-10 19:31                                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-16 13:49                                       ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-17 17:06                                         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-18  9:38                                           ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-18 14:59                                             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-19  9:38                                               ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-24 14:36                                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-24 14:46                                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-25  9:13                                             ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-25  9:08                                           ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn [this message]
2014-09-25 10:14                                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-25 11:15                                               ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-26 18:13                                             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-29  9:45                                               ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-29 15:18                                                 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-30 10:28                                                   ` Oleksandr Dmytryshyn
2014-09-30 17:37                                                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-11  9:43                                     ` Ian Campbell
2014-09-09 13:25                           ` Vitaly Chernooky
2014-09-09 21:58                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-10 10:15                               ` Andrii Tseglytskyi
2014-09-10 10:24                                 ` Vitaly Chernooky
2014-09-10 11:18                                   ` Andrii Tseglytskyi
2014-09-10 18:37                                   ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-11  7:51                                     ` Vitaly Chernooky
2014-09-10 11:24                                 ` Vitaly Chernooky
2014-09-10 14:28                               ` Vitaly Chernooky
2014-09-10 18:41                                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-09-11  7:48                                   ` Vitaly Chernooky

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