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From: Keir Fraser <keir.xen@gmail.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	"Justin T. Gibbs" <justing@spectralogic.com>
Cc: "<xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5 of 5] blkif.h: Define and document the request number/size/segments extension
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:44:42 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CB58FFBA.2AC15%keir.xen@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F339F0A0200007800071D46@nat28.tlf.novell.com>




On 09/02/2012 01:25, "Jan Beulich" <JBeulich@suse.com> wrote:

>>>> On 09.02.12 at 07:22, "Justin T. Gibbs" <justing@spectralogic.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:48 AM, Jan Beulich wrote:

>>> 
>>> Hmm, I would think these should specifically not be used in the
>>> io/ subtree - those aren't definitions of the interface to Xen, but
>>> ones shared between the respective backends and frontends.
>>> Each interface is (apart from its relying on the ring definitions)
>>> entirely self contained.
>>> 
>>> Jan
>> 
>> 
>> The versioning required allows a driver to declare, "I am compatible
>> with any source compatibility breaking changes up to version X of
>> the header file".  Declaring support for the latest version does
>> not require that a driver implement the new extensions.  Just one
>> constant needs to be renamed.  So I don't see this as really altering
>> the interface between front and backends (i.e. it is not a "blkif2")
> 
> Sure. But pulling in header updates should not require *any* other
> source changes, so long as __XEN_INTERFACE_VERSION__ isn't
> bumped.
> 
> My point about not using __XEN_INTERFACE_VERSION__ under io/
> is that these declare protocols that the hypervisor is completely
> unaware of, whereas the constant really is meant to control
> compatibility with hypervisor changes. In particular is this or any
> other change to the protocols under io/ entirely unrelated to the
> particular hypervisor version (and hence its interface revision).

Actually __XEN_INTERFACE_VERSION__ is simply versioning the *source-level
API* exposed by those headers. It's not really directly linked to versioning
of the hypervisor ABI, after all that has to ensure backward compatibility
whatever we do. Perhaps __XEN_INTERFACE_VERSION__ is simply badly named.

 -- Keir

> It's also unclear to me why simply giving new constants new names
> (instead of changing the meaning of existing ones) is such a big
> deal - the most strait forward solution doubtlessly is not having
> any conditionals in that header, and simply add new things with
> new, unambiguous names.
> 
> Jan
> 
>> If the xen-compat.h behavior is that you can safely import the
>> public headers so long as you do not bump __XEN_INTERFACE_VERSION__
>> until after you have audited and adjusted for the #ifdef guarded
>> changes in the header files, then that is exactly what is needed
>> in blkif.h.
>> 
>> --
>> Justin
> 
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2012-02-09 12:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-03  5:24 [PATCH 0 of 5] blkif.h: Document protocol and existing extensions Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-03  5:24 ` [PATCH 1 of 5] blkif.h: Miscelaneous style fixes Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-09  9:30   ` Ian Campbell
2012-02-03  5:24 ` [PATCH 2 of 5] blkif.h: Provide more complete documentation of the blkif interface Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-07 17:51   ` Ian Jackson
2012-02-08 23:24     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-09  9:36       ` Ian Campbell
2012-02-09 15:19       ` Ian Jackson
2012-02-03  5:24 ` [PATCH 3 of 5] blkif.h: Add definitions for virtual block device major numbers Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-03 13:31   ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-03 15:49     ` Justin Gibbs
2012-02-09  9:46       ` Ian Campbell
2012-02-09 10:05         ` Paul Durrant
2012-02-09 16:41           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-07 17:33   ` Ian Jackson
2012-02-08 23:12     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-09 15:17       ` Ian Jackson
2012-02-09 16:40         ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-09 16:52           ` Ian Jackson
2012-02-09 17:02             ` Ian Campbell
2012-02-03  5:24 ` [PATCH 4 of 5] blkif.h: Document the RedHat and Citrix blkif multi-page ring extensions Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-03 13:33   ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-03 14:58     ` Justin Gibbs
2012-02-03 15:01       ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-03 15:19         ` Justin Gibbs
2012-02-03 16:12           ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-08 22:00             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-09  9:15               ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-09 14:56                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-09  9:48       ` Ian Campbell
2012-02-09 10:36         ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-09 10:40           ` Ian Campbell
2012-02-09 15:12         ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-13 12:35           ` Ian Campbell
2012-02-14 13:56             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-02-15  6:51               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-15 13:07             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-15 13:32               ` Ian Campbell
2012-02-03  5:24 ` [PATCH 5 of 5] blkif.h: Define and document the request number/size/segments extension Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-03 13:34   ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-07 21:45     ` Justin Gibbs
2012-02-07 13:49       ` Keir Fraser
2012-02-08  7:48         ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-08  6:00           ` Keir Fraser
2012-02-08 16:20             ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-09  6:22           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-09  9:25             ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-09 12:44               ` Keir Fraser [this message]
2012-02-09 14:45               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2012-02-09 12:32             ` Keir Fraser
2012-02-08  7:49       ` Jan Beulich
2012-02-03  9:52 ` [PATCH 0 of 5] blkif.h: Document protocol and existing extensions Jan Beulich
2012-02-09  9:29 ` Ian Campbell

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