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From: Keir Fraser <keir.xen@gmail.com>
To: Matt Wilson <msw@linux.com>
Cc: "Felipe Franciosi" <felipe.franciosi@citrix.com>,
	"Anthony Liguori" <aliguori@amazon.com>,
	"Andrew Cooper" <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"David Vrabel" <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	"Jan Beulich" <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, "Matt Wilson" <msw@amazon.com>,
	"Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] gnttab: refactor locking for better scalability
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 08:07:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CEA79227.64C7F%keir.xen@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131112071857.GA11872@u109add4315675089e695.ant.amazon.com>

On 12/11/2013 07:18, "Matt Wilson" <msw@linux.com> wrote:

>> Is there any concern about writer starvation here? I know our spinlocks
>> aren't 'fair' but our rwlocks are guaranteed to starve out writers if there
>> is a steady continuous stream of readers. Perhaps we should write-bias our
>> rwlock, or at least make that an option. We could get fancier but would
>> probably hurt performance.
> 
> Yes, I'm a little concerned about writer starvation. But so far even
> in the presence of very frequent readers it seems like the infrequent
> writers are able to get the lock when they need to. However, I've not
> tested the iommu=strict path yet. I'm thinking that in that case
> there's just going to be frequent writers, so there's less risk of
> readers starving writers. For what it's worth, when mapcount() gets in
> the picture with persistent grants, I'd expect to see some pretty
> significant performance degradation for map/unmap operations. This was
> also observed in [1] under different circumstances.

The average case isn't the only concern here, but also the worst case, which
could maybe tie up a CPU for unbounded time. Could a malicious guest set up
such a workload? I'm just thinking we don't want to end up with a DoS XSA on
this down the line. :)

> But right now I'm more curious about cache line bouncing between all
> the readers. I've not done any study of inter-arrival times for
> typical workloads (much less some more extreme workloads like we've
> been testing), but lock profiling of grant table operations when a
> spinlock was used showed some pretty long hold times, which should
> translate fairly well to decent rwlock performance. I'm by no means an
> expert in this area so I'm eager to hear the thoughts of others.

In the read-heavy case the only improvement would be with the old
Linux-style biglock (spinlock per CPU; writers must take all spinlocks), or
working out a lock-free scheme for readers (perhaps making use of RCU).

 -- Keir

> I should also mention that some of the improvement I mentioned from
> 3,000 MB/s to 3,600 MB/s was due to avoiding the m2p override spinlock
> in dom0.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-12  8:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-12  2:03 [RFC PATCH 0/2] gnttab: refactor locking for better scalability Matt Wilson
2013-11-12  2:03 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] gnttab: lock the local grant table earlier in __gnttab_unmap_common() Matt Wilson
2013-11-12  2:03 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] gnttab: refactor locking for better scalability Matt Wilson
2013-11-12  5:37   ` Keir Fraser
2013-11-12  7:18     ` Matt Wilson
2013-11-12  8:07       ` Keir Fraser [this message]
2013-11-12  9:18         ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-12 13:42           ` Keir Fraser
2013-11-12 13:58             ` Keir Fraser
2013-11-12 14:11               ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-12 14:24                 ` Keir Fraser
2013-11-12 15:09                   ` Felipe Franciosi
2014-06-20 20:54                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-06-20 21:18                     ` Matt Wilson
2013-11-12 19:06         ` Matt Wilson
2013-11-12 14:52       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-11-12 15:04         ` David Vrabel
2013-11-12 16:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-11-12  9:26   ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-12 17:58     ` Matt Wilson
2013-11-13  7:39       ` Jan Beulich
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-06-21  0:13 Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk

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