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From: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>
To: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@citrix.com>, Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: StefanoStabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>,
	"Tim (Xen.org)" <tim@xen.org>,
	George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: differing opinions between maintainers vs patch acks
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 10:24:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D530BCE3.3686B%lars.kurth@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22794.64145.241810.92059@mariner.uk.xensource.com>



On 04/05/2017 10:55, "Ian Jackson" <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com> wrote:

>Jan Beulich writes ("Re: differing opinions between maintainers vs patch
>acks"):
>> On 04.05.17 at 11:21, <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>> > I'm afraid I disagree.  Someone with a fresh perspective is often
>> > helpful, even if it involves a bit more explanation.
>> > 
>> > And, the use of committers as referees in inter-maintainer disputes is
>> > explicitly laid out in the project governance document:
>> >   https://xenproject.org/governance.html#roles-local
>> >   | Committers
>> >   ...
>> >   | committers can also act as referees should disagreements amongst
>> >   | maintainers arise
>> 
>> I understand this, and I agree as far as actual technical issues
>> go. I just don't think this is suitable / appropriate when it comes
>> to cosmetic questions.
>
>Well, if the cosmetic question is not that important then presumably
>someone would have given ground and it wouldn't need escalation.

In this specific case, I saw a disagreement, but it is not clear whether
this would need an escalation. It could easily be solved on IRC by a quick
chat.

>If the cosmetic question _is_ important enough to have a big debate
>over then I don't see any reason why the same escalation path is not
>appropriate.  Actually, it seems to me that a relative outsider is
>more likely to bring a useful sense of proportion.

However in general, I agree with Ian that "cosmetic" issues which are
contentious and where emotions are attached to it should be covered by the
governance. 


>(And, de jure, the governance doc makes no such distinction.)

As I said, these are intentionally not excluded. Partly, because cosmetic
issues are often more divisive than actual technical issues, and in many
FOSS communities these are exactly the sort of issues people fight over.
Of course, one would hope that we are all mature enough, that we don't
often need to invoke refereeing for it.

Lars

 


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  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-04 10:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-04  7:59 differing opinions between maintainers vs patch acks Jan Beulich
2017-05-04  9:21 ` Ian Jackson
2017-05-04  9:27   ` Jan Beulich
2017-05-04  9:55     ` Ian Jackson
2017-05-04 10:24       ` Lars Kurth [this message]
2017-05-04 12:21 ` Andrew Cooper
2017-05-04 12:44   ` Ian Jackson
2017-05-04 12:47     ` Lars Kurth
2017-05-04 12:54     ` Jan Beulich
2017-05-04 13:32       ` Andrew Cooper
2017-05-04 14:30       ` Ian Jackson
2017-05-04 17:56     ` Stefano Stabellini

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