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From: Andrew Lyon <andrew.lyon@gmail.com>
To: Sander Eikelenboom <linux@eikelenboom.it>
Cc: Noboru Iwamatsu <n_iwamatsu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Cihula, Joseph" <joseph.cihula@intel.com>,
	Weidong Han <weidong.han@intel.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	"keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com" <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:28:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f4527be1001210728w157654f4hd7008a62ff395c8a@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1192755422.20100121151714@eikelenboom.it>

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Sander Eikelenboom
<linux@eikelenboom.it> wrote:
> Hello Weidong,
>
> The problem is most vendor's just don't fix it and ignore the problem completely.
> Most often hiding them selves behind: come back when it's a problem with Microsoft Windows, that the only single thing we support (and no other software, so no vmware, no xen, no linux, perhaps even no hypervisor)

Supermicro were fairly cooperative but they wanted to know *exactly*
what was wrong, i.e. wanted me to show them the incorrect values and
how to fix them, I tried to work it out but failed :(.

I had the same problem on a Dell system, who went down the "we dont
support xen" route, but again they would have been willing to take it
further if I could show them which values were incorrect.

If we had a diagnostic tool that could verify the settings and output
detailed explanations of any problems that would really help to give
manufacturers the info they need to fix the bios.

Andy

> Well I don't know if the virtual pc in windows 7 supports an iommu now, but it didn't in the past as far as i know, so any complain bounces off, and there it all seems to end for them.
>
> Besides that i don't know if they do know what the problems with there implementation in BIOS is when someone reports it.
> I think some behind the scenes pressure from Intel to vendors might help to solve some of them.
> (my Q35 chipset, "Intel V-PRO" marketed motherboard (so much for that) also suffers RMRR problem when another graphics card is inserted which switches off the IGD).
>
> Although i think in my case your patch will work around that for me. Perhaps a third option is needed, which does all the workarounds possible and warns about potential security problem when requested ?
>
> --
> Sander
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 1:46:39 PM, you wrote:
>
>> Noboru Iwamatsu wrote:
>>> Hi Weidong,
>>>
>>> I re-send the DRHD-fix patch.
>>>
>>> If DRHD does not have existent devices, ignore it.
>>> If DRHD has both existent and non-existent devices, consider it invalid
>>> and not register.
>>>
>
>> Although you patch workarounds your buggy BIOS, but we still need to
>> enable it for security purpose as I mentioned in previous mail. We
>> needn't workaround / fix all BIOS issues in software. I think security
>> is more important for this specific BIOS issue. Did you report the BIOS
>> issue to your OEM vendor? maybe it's better to get it fixed in BIOS.
>
>> Regards,
>> Weidong
>>> According to this patch and yours, my machine successfully booted
>>> with vt-d enabled.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Noboru Iwamatsu <n_iwamatsu@jp.fujitsu.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Keir Fraser wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/01/2010 10:19, "Weidong Han" <weidong.han@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry this is typo.
>>>>>>> I mean:
>>>>>>> So, I think RMRR that has no-existent device is "invalid"
>>>>>>> and whole RMRR should be ignored.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> looks reasonable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keir, I Acks Noboru's rmrr patch. Or do you want us to merge them to one
>>>>>> patch?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Merge them up, re-send with both sign-off and acked-by all in one email.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Keir
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I disagree with Noboru after thinking it again. If the RMRR has
>>>> both no-existent device and also has existent devices in its scope, we
>>>> should not ignore it because the existent devices under its scope will
>>>> be impacted without the RMRR. so I suggest to print a warning instead of
>>>> ignore it. Attached a patch for it.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Weidong Han <weidong.han@intel.com>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Sander                            mailto:linux@eikelenboom.it
>
>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-01-21 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-21  2:46 [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking Han, Weidong
2010-01-21  8:25 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21  8:38   ` Han, Weidong
2010-01-21 10:03     ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:08       ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:19         ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 10:27           ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-21 10:49             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 12:19               ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 12:46                 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 14:01                   ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-21 14:17                   ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-21 14:33                     ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-22  2:12                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  2:38                         ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-22  2:53                           ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  3:16                             ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-22  8:47                               ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  9:19                                 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-22 12:15                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22 12:32                                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-23 12:40                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-23 13:08                                         ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-23 14:33                                           ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-23 14:54                                             ` [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking, documenting boot options Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-25 16:40                                               ` Stephen Spector
2010-01-25 16:58                                                 ` Documentation Xen-hypervisor and Dom0 xen-related boot options (was Re: [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking, documenting boot options) Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 20:56                                                   ` Stephen Spector
2010-01-27 11:33                                                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-25  7:06                                 ` [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-25  7:56                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25  9:02                                     ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25  9:11                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25  9:22                                     ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-25 10:08                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 10:45                                         ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 13:43                                           ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-25 13:57                                             ` Christian Tramnitz
2010-01-25 14:10                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-26  1:16                                               ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-26  5:51                                                 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-26  6:38                                                   ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-26  6:42                                                     ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 14:12                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 14:13                                             ` Han, Weidong
2010-03-09 21:39                                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 21:30                                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 21:57                                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 22:22                                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 23:05                                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 23:25                                           ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  2:13                                             ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  2:40                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  3:18                                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  3:28                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  3:37                                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  4:25                                           ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  4:47                                             ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  7:03                                               ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10 13:56                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 18:06                                                   ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  2:11                                                     ` Weidong Han
2010-03-11  2:32                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  3:44                                                         ` Weidong Han
2010-03-11  4:52                                                           ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  8:30                                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 15:28                     ` Andrew Lyon [this message]
2010-01-21 15:04                 ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-22  1:35                   ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:13       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 12:09         ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 12:38           ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  0:23             ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21  8:45   ` Andrew Lyon
2010-01-21 10:03     ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21  9:15   ` Keir Fraser

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