Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[claus]

Hi,

> so it would be necessary to specify the type of card and/or number of
> boxes when the driver loads ?

Actually, the best thing would be control software that allows you to change
the settings. A DSP24 user (not Value) may want to change them during runtime.

> bugger. but the AK4524 supports changing the input gain, doesn't it ?

Yes but this is not implemented on the hardware. The card works with -10dBv
level on the analog in- and output (normal consumer line level as a CD-Player,
Tape Deck, etc.).

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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[claus]

Hi Jaroslav,

> Box number 1 means the first from four? (Sorry, but addressing is from 0
> to 3). Currently, ALSA initializes only first box at address zero.

That's correct, it must be 0 so it should actually work already (not tested by
myself however).

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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[claus]

Hi,

> > Since your card was recognized as STDSP24, it means that both cards
> > have the same sub vendor/device id.  Thus it's difficult to guess
> > which chip is.  Perhaps trying to detect ak4524 at first, then one
> > can recognize it as DSP24 Value or not.
>
> I asked Hoontech about that too.

It is not possible to distinguish between a DSP24 Value and a DSP24 card in
software. Also you cannot detect the converter on the card (as it is not 
needed).

The DSP24 PCI card provides a interface that is called "H-BUS" and allows you
to connect several external boxes (ADC, DAC, Digital I/O interfaces, etc.) to
one card. Via GPIO you can (and need to) controll this interface. Up to four
external boxes with up to 4 stereo input channels on each box can be adressed
at the same time. You can patch any of these stereo inputs to the Envy24 input
by GPIO during runtime. This allows you for example to use a DS2000 (ADAT/TDIF
interface) and a ADC&DAC2000 (analog I/O) at the same time and to switch 
between the inputs when needed. An introduction to this can be found on our
website: check www.staudio.com -> Service -> Knowledge Base -> DSP24 -> H-BUS.

The DSP24 Value simulates this by connecting the ADC on the card virtually as
box number 1, input 1/2.

> The DAC & ADC volume
> don't seem to work though.

The hardware does not provide any function to change the input or output level
of the analog I/O.

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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[Christof Damian]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, claus@ridi.com wrote:
>
> It is not possible to distinguish between a DSP24 Value and a DSP24
> card in software. Also you cannot detect the converter on the card
> (as it is not needed).

so it would be necessary to specify the type of card and/or number of
boxes when the driver loads ?

> > The DAC & ADC volume don't seem to work though.
> 
> The hardware does not provide any function to change the input or
> output level of the analog I/O.

bugger. but the AK4524 supports changing the input gain, doesn't it ?

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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On 12 Feb 2002, claus@ridi.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > > Since your card was recognized as STDSP24, it means that both cards
> > > have the same sub vendor/device id.  Thus it's difficult to guess
> > > which chip is.  Perhaps trying to detect ak4524 at first, then one
> > > can recognize it as DSP24 Value or not.
> >
> > I asked Hoontech about that too.
>
> It is not possible to distinguish between a DSP24 Value and a DSP24 card in
> software. Also you cannot detect the converter on the card (as it is not
> needed).
>
> The DSP24 PCI card provides a interface that is called "H-BUS" and allows you
> to connect several external boxes (ADC, DAC, Digital I/O interfaces, etc.) to
> one card. Via GPIO you can (and need to) controll this interface. Up to four
> external boxes with up to 4 stereo input channels on each box can be adressed
> at the same time. You can patch any of these stereo inputs to the Envy24 input
> by GPIO during runtime. This allows you for example to use a DS2000 (ADAT/TDIF
> interface) and a ADC&DAC2000 (analog I/O) at the same time and to switch
> between the inputs when needed. An introduction to this can be found on our
> website: check www.staudio.com -> Service -> Knowledge Base -> DSP24 -> H-BUS.
>
> The DSP24 Value simulates this by connecting the ADC on the card virtually as
> box number 1, input 1/2.

Box number 1 means the first from four? (Sorry, but addressing is from 0
to 3). Currently, ALSA initializes only first box at address zero.

> > The DAC & ADC volume
> > don't seem to work though.
>
> The hardware does not provide any function to change the input or output level
> of the analog I/O.

Thanks for clarification.

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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[claus]

Hi Jaroslav,

> I'm also not sure about differences between models, because the full
> version expects some additional I/O boxes, but there is no way to detect
> which (and if) a box is connected. The DSP24 Value version looks like a
> card with simplified build-in I/O box.

That's correct. The input needs to be initzialized as box number 1.
 
> I think that I have a contact to a guy from Taiwan (Hoontech) from Claus
> Riethmueller, so I asked him for more information about differences
> between DSP24 and DSP24 Value, but he has not replied.

Hoontech is a Korean company. I sent you all GPIO related information with 
example source code back on 09/08/2000. I did not receive further questions 
from you about this. I rememeber some discussion about the AC-97 codec on the
card but that has no relation to the recording section and GPIO at all. If you 
need more info, contact me and tell me what you need exactly.

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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On 12 Feb 2002, claus@ridi.com wrote:

> Hi Jaroslav,
>
> > I'm also not sure about differences between models, because the full
> > version expects some additional I/O boxes, but there is no way to detect
> > which (and if) a box is connected. The DSP24 Value version looks like a
> > card with simplified build-in I/O box.
>
> That's correct. The input needs to be initzialized as box number 1.
>
> > I think that I have a contact to a guy from Taiwan (Hoontech) from Claus
> > Riethmueller, so I asked him for more information about differences
> > between DSP24 and DSP24 Value, but he has not replied.
>
> Hoontech is a Korean company. I sent you all GPIO related information with
> example source code back on 09/08/2000. I did not receive further questions
> from you about this. I rememeber some discussion about the AC-97 codec on the
> card but that has no relation to the recording section and GPIO at all. If you
> need more info, contact me and tell me what you need exactly.

Right, you sent me this info. You are very helpful. Thank you. I though
that it was only for DSP24. The difference between DSP24 and DSP24 Value
was not stated exactly.

						Jaroslav

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Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[Christof Damian]

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Hello,
I already send the attached email to the alsa-user list, but haven't
got any response. 

After looking through ice1712.c I now realize that the DSP24 Value
might never have been tried with this driver. As it only mentions the
STDSP24, which is similar but not the same.

Is this correct, or has anyone got this working ?

I am currently fiddling with the driver and have done this:

--- pci/ice1712.c       9 Feb 2002 18:54:38 -0000       1.9
+++ pci/ice1712.c       11 Feb 2002 14:11:25 -0000
@@ -3750,6 +3750,10 @@
 
        /* determine I2C, DACs and ADCs */
        switch (ice->eeprom.subvendor) {
+       case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_STDSP24:
+               has_i2c = 1;
+               ice->num_adcs = ice->num_dacs = ice->num_total_dacs =
2;
+               break;  
        case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_AUDIOPHILE:
                ice->ak4528 = 1;
                /* follow thru */
@@ -3954,6 +3958,7 @@
        case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_DELTA66:
        case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_EWS88MT:
        case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_DMX6FIRE:
+       case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_STDSP24:
                for (idx = 0; idx < ice->num_dacs; ++idx) {
                        snd_kcontrol_t ctl;
                        memset(&ctl, 0, sizeof(ctl));

which gives me the IPGA scontrol in amixer and the "H/W Out 1+2" and the
DAC 0+1 and ADC 0+1 levels in "Analog Volume" in envy24control.

not that i know what i am doing as i don't have any docs for this
card. I also don't know how to decide wheter the card is a DSP24 Value
or STDSP24 in ice1712.c

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From: Christof Damian <cdamian@guideguide.com>
To: alsa-user@alsa-project.org
Subject: [Alsa-user] Hoontech DSP24 Value
Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:24:50 +0000
Message-ID: <20020205122450.W6030@stratus.london.guideguide.com>

I recently bought a Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 Value including
the DSP24 Value Bracket. I had a Audiophile 2496 before, but I wanted
a card with the AK4524 instead of the AK4528, so I could change the
input gain. 

But this gain option isn't showing up with the DSP24 Value either.

The other problem I have is that starting envy24control shows this
messages:

Unable to read Delta S/PDIF output state: No such file or directory
Unable to write Delta S/PDIF Output Defaults: No such file or directory

i just ignore them, but it also seems that envy24control works not as
good with this card as with the 2496, I am not able to route the H/W
in into the Digital Mixer for example.

christof

some info from /proc:
/proc/asound/cards
0 [card0          ]: EMU10K1 - Sound Blaster Live!
                     Sound Blaster Live! at 0x9400, irq 7
1 [card1          ]: ICE1712 - Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24
                     Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 at 0x8800, irq 10

/proc/asound/card1/ice1712 
ICE1712

EEPROM:
  Subvendor        : 0x12141217
  Size             : 28 bytes
  Version          : 1
  Codec            : 0x2f
  ACLink           : 0x80
  I2S ID           : 0x71
  S/PDIF           : 0x3
  GPIO mask        : 0xfc
  GPIO state       : 0x2
  GPIO direction   : 0x3
  AC'97 main       : 0x0
  AC'97 pcm        : 0x0
  AC'97 record     : 0x0
  AC'97 record src : 0x44
  DAC ID #0        : 0x1
  DAC ID #1        : 0x1
  DAC ID #2        : 0x1
  DAC ID #3        : 0x1
  ADC ID #0        : 0x2
  ADC ID #1        : 0x2
  ADC ID #2        : 0x2
  ADC ID #3        : 0x2


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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[Takashi Iwai]

At Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:15:59 +0000,
Christof Damian wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I already send the attached email to the alsa-user list, but haven't
> got any response. 
> 
> After looking through ice1712.c I now realize that the DSP24 Value
> might never have been tried with this driver. As it only mentions the
> STDSP24, which is similar but not the same.
> 
> Is this correct, or has anyone got this working ?
 
The patch is apprently not enough.
We need additional codes in snd_ice1712_ak4524_write() to send signals
to ak4524 correctly.
Most likely there are gpio bits for codec selection, data and clock
lines.  Looking at the photo of the card, the DSP24 Value looks like
having fairly different usage of gpio.  If we really have no info
about this card, we need to guess from other cards how the connections
are..  Well, it's not a good dream..


> I am currently fiddling with the driver and have done this:
> 
> --- pci/ice1712.c       9 Feb 2002 18:54:38 -0000       1.9
> +++ pci/ice1712.c       11 Feb 2002 14:11:25 -0000
> @@ -3750,6 +3750,10 @@
>  
>         /* determine I2C, DACs and ADCs */
>         switch (ice->eeprom.subvendor) {
> +       case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_STDSP24:
> +               has_i2c = 1;
> +               ice->num_adcs = ice->num_dacs = ice->num_total_dacs =
> 2;
> +               break;  
>         case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_AUDIOPHILE:
>                 ice->ak4528 = 1;
>                 /* follow thru */
> @@ -3954,6 +3958,7 @@
>         case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_DELTA66:
>         case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_EWS88MT:
>         case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_DMX6FIRE:
> +       case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_STDSP24:
>                 for (idx = 0; idx < ice->num_dacs; ++idx) {
>                         snd_kcontrol_t ctl;
>                         memset(&ctl, 0, sizeof(ctl));
> 
> which gives me the IPGA scontrol in amixer and the "H/W Out 1+2" and the
> DAC 0+1 and ADC 0+1 levels in "Analog Volume" in envy24control.
> 
> not that i know what i am doing as i don't have any docs for this
> card. I also don't know how to decide wheter the card is a DSP24 Value
> or STDSP24 in ice1712.c

Since your card was recognized as STDSP24, it means that both cards
have the same sub vendor/device id.  Thus it's difficult to guess
which chip is.  Perhaps trying to detect ak4524 at first, then one 
can recognize it as DSP24 Value or not.


 
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> 
> I recently bought a Hoontech SoundTrack Audio DSP24 Value including
> the DSP24 Value Bracket. I had a Audiophile 2496 before, but I wanted
> a card with the AK4524 instead of the AK4528, so I could change the
> input gain. 
> 
> But this gain option isn't showing up with the DSP24 Value either.
> 
> The other problem I have is that starting envy24control shows this
> messages:
> 
> Unable to read Delta S/PDIF output state: No such file or directory
> Unable to write Delta S/PDIF Output Defaults: No such file or directory
 
They are harmless.

> i just ignore them, but it also seems that envy24control works not as
> good with this card as with the 2496, I am not able to route the H/W
> in into the Digital Mixer for example.
 
Do you mean whether the routing itself doesn't work, or ADC volumes
cannot be controlled?  The routing is a generic function of ice1712,
so this must work regardless of the card model.


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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[Christof Damian]

Takashi Iwai schrieb am Dienstag, den 12. Februar 2002:
>  
> The patch is apprently not enough.  We need additional codes in
> snd_ice1712_ak4524_write() to send signals to ak4524 correctly.
> Most likely there are gpio bits for codec selection, data and clock
> lines.  Looking at the photo of the card, the DSP24 Value looks like
> having fairly different usage of gpio.

Yes, i wondered about that ;-) For me it was just a way of making it
work a bit more.

> If we really have no info about this card, we need to guess from
> other cards how the connections are..  Well, it's not a good dream..

I wrote to Hoontech and asked about more information about the card,
but I don't know how good they are releasing spec.

> Since your card was recognized as STDSP24, it means that both cards
> have the same sub vendor/device id.  Thus it's difficult to guess
> which chip is.  Perhaps trying to detect ak4524 at first, then one
> can recognize it as DSP24 Value or not.

I asked Hoontech about that too.

> Do you mean whether the routing itself doesn't work, or ADC volumes
> cannot be controlled?  The routing is a generic function of ice1712,
> so this must work regardless of the card model.

Without my patch the volumes were not available and on the routing
page only the routing to S/PDIF was available. With my patch the
routing to H/W Out is awailable too (and works). The DAC & ADC volume
don't seem to work though.

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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[Jaroslav Kysela]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Takashi Iwai wrote:

> At Mon, 11 Feb 2002 14:15:59 +0000,
> Christof Damian wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> > I already send the attached email to the alsa-user list, but haven't
> > got any response.
> >
> > After looking through ice1712.c I now realize that the DSP24 Value
> > might never have been tried with this driver. As it only mentions the
> > STDSP24, which is similar but not the same.
> >
> > Is this correct, or has anyone got this working ?
>
> The patch is apprently not enough.
> We need additional codes in snd_ice1712_ak4524_write() to send signals
> to ak4524 correctly.
> Most likely there are gpio bits for codec selection, data and clock
> lines.  Looking at the photo of the card, the DSP24 Value looks like
> having fairly different usage of gpio.  If we really have no info
> about this card, we need to guess from other cards how the connections
> are..  Well, it's not a good dream..

The patch is wrong. There is PIC accessing and initializating AK4524
codecs. I'm not sure, if we can drive analog codecs directly, because I
have no further information about DSP24 Value.

> > I am currently fiddling with the driver and have done this:
> >
> > --- pci/ice1712.c       9 Feb 2002 18:54:38 -0000       1.9
> > +++ pci/ice1712.c       11 Feb 2002 14:11:25 -0000
> > @@ -3750,6 +3750,10 @@
> >
> >         /* determine I2C, DACs and ADCs */
> >         switch (ice->eeprom.subvendor) {
> > +       case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_STDSP24:
> > +               has_i2c = 1;
> > +               ice->num_adcs = ice->num_dacs = ice->num_total_dacs =
> > 2;
> > +               break;
> >         case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_AUDIOPHILE:
> >                 ice->ak4528 = 1;
> >                 /* follow thru */
> > @@ -3954,6 +3958,7 @@
> >         case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_DELTA66:
> >         case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_EWS88MT:
> >         case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_DMX6FIRE:
> > +       case ICE1712_SUBDEVICE_STDSP24:
> >                 for (idx = 0; idx < ice->num_dacs; ++idx) {
> >                         snd_kcontrol_t ctl;
> >                         memset(&ctl, 0, sizeof(ctl));
> >
> > which gives me the IPGA scontrol in amixer and the "H/W Out 1+2" and the
> > DAC 0+1 and ADC 0+1 levels in "Analog Volume" in envy24control.
> >
> > not that i know what i am doing as i don't have any docs for this
> > card. I also don't know how to decide wheter the card is a DSP24 Value
> > or STDSP24 in ice1712.c
>
> Since your card was recognized as STDSP24, it means that both cards
> have the same sub vendor/device id.  Thus it's difficult to guess
> which chip is.  Perhaps trying to detect ak4524 at first, then one
> can recognize it as DSP24 Value or not.

I'm also not sure about differences between models, because the full
version expects some additional I/O boxes, but there is no way to detect
which (and if) a box is connected. The DSP24 Value version looks like a
card with simplified build-in I/O box.

I think that I have a contact to a guy from Taiwan (Hoontech) from Claus
Riethmueller, so I asked him for more information about differences
between DSP24 and DSP24 Value, but he has not replied.

						Jaroslav

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Re: Hoontech Audio DSP24 Value (+bracket)

[Christof Damian]

Jaroslav Kysela schrieb am Dienstag, den 12. Februar 2002:
> 
> The patch is wrong. There is PIC accessing and initializating AK4524
> codecs. I'm not sure, if we can drive analog codecs directly,
> because I have no further information about DSP24 Value.

i thought it might be, but it made the card work a little bit better
than before.

> I'm also not sure about differences between models, because the full
> version expects some additional I/O boxes, but there is no way to
> detect which (and if) a box is connected. 

I wonder if the windows software can do it.

> The DSP24 Value version looks like a card with simplified build-in
> I/O box.

thats what i think too.

> I think that I have a contact to a guy from Taiwan (Hoontech) from
> Claus Riethmueller, so I asked him for more information about
> differences between DSP24 and DSP24 Value, but he has not replied.

very good.

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