missing man and smbsh

missing man and smbsh

[Jonathan Kallay]

I'm running Debian 3.0 and have been working on setting up my machine on a
Windows network.  I installed the packages samba, samba-common, swat, smbfs
and smbclient.  When using smbmount I've gotten an error from the kernel- I
tried running "modprobe smbfs", but the smbfs module couldn't been found.  I
also tried running smbsh but that couldn't be found either.

I thought that perhaps there were setting that I did not correctly set when
installing Samba (such as the -smbwrapper option).  So I tried using dselect
to remove and reinstall Samba.  However, before compilation dselect didn't
prompt for any options.

After Samba was reinstalled, I discovered that the system could no longer
find man!  Anyone have any suggestions on what could have happened, and how
to get smbsh or smbmount to work properly?

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Re: missing man and smbsh

[Ray Olszewski]

At 10:17 PM 12/20/02 -0500, Jonathan Kallay wrote:
>I'm running Debian 3.0 and have been working on setting up my machine on a
>Windows network.  I installed the packages samba, samba-common, swat, smbfs
>and smbclient.  When using smbmount I've gotten an error from the kernel- I
>tried running "modprobe smbfs", but the smbfs module couldn't been found.  I
>also tried running smbsh but that couldn't be found either.

What kernel are you using ("uname -a")? Last time I checked, Debian 
Woody  (3.0) installs 2.2.20-compact by default, and that binary doesn't 
include the smbfs module. You'll need a full-strength kernel, either one 
you get in binary form ("apt-cache search kernel-image" for the choices) or 
that you compile yourself ("apt-cache kernel-source" for the choices).

>I thought that perhaps there were setting that I did not correctly set when
>installing Samba (such as the -smbwrapper option).  So I tried using dselect
>to remove and reinstall Samba.  However, before compilation dselect didn't
>prompt for any options.

I haven't done this is in a long time myself, so I don't recall what 
options it might prompt for.

>After Samba was reinstalled, I discovered that the system could no longer
>find man!

You need to describe this "discovery" in a bit more detail to get any help 
with it. What command did you actually type and what was the response?

>Anyone have any suggestions on what could have happened, and how
>to get smbsh or smbmount to work properly?



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Re: missing man and smbsh

[Jonathan Kallay]

Sorry about being short on the details- my machine is at work and I'm
starting a two week vacation (the perks of being a teacher).

The way I now understand it, dselect installs precompiled binaries rather
than compiling the source.  Since the configuration options for Samba are
set before compilation, I'll either have to work with the apt-get or dpkg
source building features or just download the source and build it the usual
way without the packaging.

As for the smbfs module, when I installed the smbfs package in dselect I
expected the smbfs module to be placed somewhere.  Shouldn't I be able to
insert the module without recompiling or reinstalling the kernel?

The missing man:  when I enter the command "man foo" I get a message like
"bash:  man not found"- as if it simply does not recognize the command.  If
I type "whereis man" it'll return something like "man: /usr/share/man
/usr/share/doc/man/man.8.gz" or something of the sort.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Olszewski" <ray@comarre.com>
To: <linux-newbie@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: missing man and smbsh


> At 10:17 PM 12/20/02 -0500, Jonathan Kallay wrote:
> >I'm running Debian 3.0 and have been working on setting up my machine on
a
> >Windows network.  I installed the packages samba, samba-common, swat,
smbfs
> >and smbclient.  When using smbmount I've gotten an error from the kernel-
I
> >tried running "modprobe smbfs", but the smbfs module couldn't been found.
I
> >also tried running smbsh but that couldn't be found either.
>
> What kernel are you using ("uname -a")? Last time I checked, Debian
> Woody  (3.0) installs 2.2.20-compact by default, and that binary doesn't
> include the smbfs module. You'll need a full-strength kernel, either one
> you get in binary form ("apt-cache search kernel-image" for the choices)
or
> that you compile yourself ("apt-cache kernel-source" for the choices).
>
> >I thought that perhaps there were setting that I did not correctly set
when
> >installing Samba (such as the -smbwrapper option).  So I tried using
dselect
> >to remove and reinstall Samba.  However, before compilation dselect
didn't
> >prompt for any options.
>
> I haven't done this is in a long time myself, so I don't recall what
> options it might prompt for.
>
> >After Samba was reinstalled, I discovered that the system could no longer
> >find man!
>
> You need to describe this "discovery" in a bit more detail to get any help
> with it. What command did you actually type and what was the response?
>
> >Anyone have any suggestions on what could have happened, and how
> >to get smbsh or smbmount to work properly?
>
>
>
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odds!"--------
> Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo
> Palo Alto, California, USA   ray@comarre.com
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Re: missing man and smbsh

[Ray Olszewski]

At 11:14 AM 12/21/02 -0500, Jonathan Kallay wrote:
>Sorry about being short on the details- my machine is at work and I'm
>starting a two week vacation (the perks of being a teacher).

As a practical matter, you may then want to defer pursuing this until you 
once more have access to the machine with the problems. We'll still be 
here, I'm sure.

>The way I now understand it, dselect installs precompiled binaries rather
>than compiling the source.

Right. So does apt, unless you choose the "apt-get source" option (and have 
source-package directories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list).

>Since the configuration options for Samba are
>set before compilation, I'll either have to work with the apt-get or dpkg
>source building features or just download the source and build it the usual
>way without the packaging.

I'm not sure what you mean by "configuration options" above. Like most 
complex apps, Samba has config files that can be edited independent of 
compilation. Although I can't know your situation well enough to be 
certain, I'd be surprised if you needed to compile the various Samba pieces 
yourself (other than kernel components ... the usersspace stuff should be 
fine precompiled).

>As for the smbfs module, when I installed the smbfs package in dselect I
>expected the smbfs module to be placed somewhere.  Shouldn't I be able to
>insert the module without recompiling or reinstalling the kernel?

You should read the package description. "apt-cache search smbfs" returns 
this short description: "smbfs - mount and umount commands for the smbfs 
(for kernels >= than 2.2.x)". From that, I'd say it does not include the 
smbfs module. (I don't know beyond that -- I run an SMB server on a Linux 
host, but not the client, so I don't need smbfs.)

Really, how can it? Debian Woody provides a wide range of kernel choices, 
including 2.2.x kernels, 2.4.x kernels, and maybe even (I didn't check) 
2.5.x kernels. Modules tend to be kernel-version specific. I'd suggest that 
when you are back at your machine, you do what I already suggested: find 
out what kernel you are using. If it is the default 2.2.20-compact, replace 
it with a current one (2.4.20 seems to be the latest kernel-image listed, 
but that was checking Sid, not Woody), doing your own compile if the 
precompiled one doesn't have what you need.

>The missing man:  when I enter the command "man foo" I get a message like
>"bash:  man not found"- as if it simply does not recognize the command.  If
>I type "whereis man" it'll return something like "man: /usr/share/man
>/usr/share/doc/man/man.8.gz" or something of the sort.

If you want to find the "man" *binary* with this command, you do it with 
"whereis man -b". Or "which man", which will find the "man" app ONLY if it 
is in the user's current PATH. In any case, the binary "man" should be in 
/usr/bin/man -- until you check if it is there or not, there's no way to 
help you. (The "something like" you report above are the miscellaneus 
information directory for man and man's own man page.)  Either the command 
was somehow deleted or made non-exdcutable (improbable) or the userid you 
are using does not include /usr/bin in its PATH (also pretty improbable). 
Or you're remembering, hence quoting, the response incorrectly and 
something else is going on.


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