Re: Sorry, read this one: Re: SELinux Dumb Questions

["Admissions Office" <admissions@internet.edu.nf>]

Ok but, lets not let emotions rule the day. The NSA has done us all a
service and we them. So in the true spirit of the internet lets work this
out.  Tom & I are playing phone tag but, we will speak.... And I bet we will
have something to report back. No big deal !
Really.


----- Original Message -----
From: "McFadden, Ken" <ken.mcfadden@lmco.com>
To: "'Russell Coker'" <russell@coker.com.au>; "JW" <jw@centraltexasit.com>;
"SE Linux" <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: "Haigh, Tom" <tom_haigh@securecomputing.com>; "'Admissions Office'"
<admissions@internet.edu.nf>; "Carsten Grohmann"
<carsten.grohmann@dr-baldeweg.de>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 16:28
Subject: RE: Sorry, read this one: Re: SELinux Dumb Questions


> Once again, We are doing this for NSA and GNU NOT SECURE COMPUTING!!!!!!!
> If Tom has a problem then they need to address it with the NSA and the
> NSA can go forth and remove their crap or deem it as being GNU.....As I
> see it SELinux will go on and if someone would like to use it then all
> they would need to do is keep the original GNU licensing with it.....
> Other words this is not our problem to work out but Tom's and
NSA's........
> Until then I would treat it as GNU per NSA's web page!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell Coker [mailto:russell@coker.com.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:12 PM
> To: JW; SE Linux
> Cc: Haigh, Tom; 'Admissions Office'; Carsten Grohmann
> Subject: Re: Sorry, read this one: Re: SELinux Dumb Questions
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:49, JW wrote:
> > Sorry about that last empty message, I accidently hit ^[ENTER] when I
> meant
> > hit shift...
>
> You had written enough to clarify the issue (I don't know how I missed
Tom's
>
> message the first time).
>
> > IANAL, but it is my understanding that you cannot restrict the use or
> > distribution of GPLd Free Software. It simply does not work that way, no
> > exceptions, no excuses. Once code is GPLd it is free for all to use. You
> > can change the license on future versions of the code, but you cannot go
> > back and restrict GPL's code "after the fact"
>
> Yes.  Unless of course they claim that they didn't GPL it, or that the GPL
> only covers the code not the patent.
>
> > 2. It will need to be removed from Debian's tree -- at least moved to
> > non-free, yet as I said before, if Secure Computing is correct, SE-Linux
> is
> > not legal to use with GPL'd software anyway (at least the way I see it).
>
> Stuff that.  I'm not putting this much work into non-free stuff!  If the
> license gets changed to anything other than the GPL then I'll immediately
> cease work and file critical bug reports against ftp.debian.org asking for
> the packages to be removed.  If Secure Computing want me to work on
material
>
> that's patented by them then they'll have to pay me at my usual consulting
> rates, plus back-pay for the last 6 months.
>
> > You'd better bet that GNU and other people who's code is being modified
to
> > work with SE-Linux will have ten purple cows on anyone who mixes
non-free
> > code with their GPLd code.
>
> The code can be still released as patches, but the problems of having them
> becoming obsolete and not matching the version your OS uses will remain.
>
> Basically I think that SE Linux is as good as dead for anything other than
> research use if this patent gets enforced.
>
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