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From: Damien Le Moal <dlemoal@kernel.org>
To: Phillip Susi <phill@thesusis.net>, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	"Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>,
	Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>,
	Paul Ausbeck <paula@soe.ucsc.edu>,
	Kai-Heng Feng <kai.heng.feng@canonical.com>,
	Joe Breuer <linux-kernel@jmbreuer.net>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Chia-Lin Kao <acelan.kao@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 04/23] scsi: sd: Differentiate system and runtime start/stop management
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 07:44:04 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0177ab41-6a7b-42ff-bf84-97d173efb838@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v8b73lsh.fsf@vps.thesusis.net>

On 10/16/23 01:14, Phillip Susi wrote:
> For SCSI disks that are runtime suspended, it looks like they skip
> waking the disk on system resume, leaving them in runtime suspend.
> After these patches, it looks like libata always wakes up the disk, but
> I don't see any calls to pm_runtime_disable/set_active/enable to mark
> the scsi disk as active after the system resume.  That should result in
> a disk that is spinning, but runtime pm thinks is not, and so will not
> put it into suspend after the inactivity timeout.

Yes, correct, but this does not create any issues in practice beside the
undesired disk spinup.

Fixing that is not trivial because using runtime suspend/resume on the SCSI disk
is just that, it will affect *only* the SCSI disk and not the ATA device and its
port. In other words, a runtime suspend of the SCSI disk will spin down the
drive but it will not runtime suspend the ATA port. So if you suspend the
system, on resume, the ATA port will not be runtime suspended and so it will be
resumed. The SCSI disk will not be resumed, but the ATA port resume will have
spun up the disk, which we do not really want in that case.

I am looking into this. Again, that is not a trivial fix. The other thing to
notice here is that ATA port runtime suspend/resume is in fact broken: it does
not track accesses to the device(s) connected to the port. And given that more
than one device may be connected to a port, we need PM runtime reference
counting to be done for this to work correctly. That is missing. Solutions are:
fix everything or simply do not support ATA port runtime suspend/resume (i.e.
remove code doing it). I am leaning toward the latter as it seems that no one
actually noticed these issues because no one is actually using ATA port runtime
suspend/resume...

-- 
Damien Le Moal
Western Digital Research


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-15 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-27 14:18 [PATCH v8 00/23] Fix libata suspend/resume handling and code cleanup Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 01/23] ata: libata-core: Fix ata_port_request_pm() locking Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 02/23] ata: libata-core: Fix port and device removal Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 03/23] ata: libata-scsi: link ata port and scsi device Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 04/23] scsi: sd: Differentiate system and runtime start/stop management Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 19:50   ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-10-10 13:09   ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-10 14:04     ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-15 16:14   ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-15 22:44     ` Damien Le Moal [this message]
2023-10-16 12:39       ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-16 12:55         ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-17 18:03           ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-17 23:32             ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-20 19:00               ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-18  6:16             ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-20 21:23               ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-23  5:51                 ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-26 21:21                   ` Phillip Susi
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 05/23] ata: libata-scsi: Disable scsi device manage_system_start_stop Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 06/23] scsi: Do not attempt to rescan suspended devices Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 19:51   ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 07/23] ata: libata-scsi: Fix delayed scsi_rescan_device() execution Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 08/23] ata: libata-core: Do not register PM operations for SAS ports Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 09/23] scsi: sd: Do not issue commands to suspended disks on shutdown Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 19:52   ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 10/23] ata: libata-core: Fix compilation warning in ata_dev_config_ncq() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 11/23] ata: libata-eh: Fix compilation warning in ata_eh_link_report() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 12/23] scsi: Remove scsi device no_start_on_resume flag Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 19:52   ` Martin K. Petersen
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 13/23] ata: libata-scsi: Cleanup ata_scsi_start_stop_xlat() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 14/23] ata: libata-core: Synchronize ata_port_detach() with hotplug Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 15/23] ata: libata-core: Detach a port devices on shutdown Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 16/23] ata: libata-core: Remove ata_port_suspend_async() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 17/23] ata: libata-core: Remove ata_port_resume_async() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 18/23] ata: libata-core: Do not poweroff runtime suspended ports Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 19/23] ata: libata-core: Do not resume " Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 20/23] ata: libata-sata: Improve ata_sas_slave_configure() Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 21/23] ata: libata-eh: Improve reset error messages Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 22/23] ata: libata-eh: Reduce "disable device" message verbosity Damien Le Moal
2023-09-27 14:18 ` [PATCH v8 23/23] ata: libata: Cleanup inline DMA helper functions Damien Le Moal
2023-10-02 23:39 ` [PATCH v8 00/23] Fix libata suspend/resume handling and code cleanup Phillip Susi
2023-10-03  0:27   ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-03  0:44     ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-03 21:22       ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-03 23:46         ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-04 21:01           ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-04 22:33             ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-05 12:38               ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-03  0:32   ` Damien Le Moal
     [not found] <c0b086ab-dcd5-4b7b-b931-4d407dd7ad47()kernel!org>
2023-10-12 19:01 ` [PATCH v8 04/23] scsi: sd: Differentiate system and runtime start/stop management Phillip Susi
2023-10-13  0:57   ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-13 14:36     ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-15 22:09       ` Damien Le Moal
2023-10-21 17:56         ` Phillip Susi
2023-10-23  5:49           ` Damien Le Moal
2023-11-03 18:05             ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-03 23:01               ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-06  2:32                 ` Damien Le Moal
2023-11-07 13:27                   ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-07 21:59                     ` Damien Le Moal
2023-11-08 22:07                       ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-06  3:00               ` Damien Le Moal
2023-11-07 13:45                 ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-07 21:48                   ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-07 23:11                     ` Damien Le Moal
2023-11-08 22:15                       ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-09 22:09                         ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-09 22:57                           ` Damien Le Moal
2023-11-10 16:41                             ` Phillip Susi
2023-11-10  0:43                           ` Damien Le Moal
2023-11-07 22:13                   ` Damien Le Moal
2023-11-08 22:25                     ` Phillip Susi

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