Offtopic.

Offtopic.

[xlp]

Hi, I am writting document in spanish about UNIX programming because I have
found that south american universities are focused on Windows, The students
and teachers think the computer science is Windows, they dont know others
OSes, They dont motivate students to understand OSes internals, I dont
understand Why the degree is "system engienering" if they dont know about
memory manipulation, threads, procress, IO, debuggers, etc.
Why study 5 year of engineering if they will work doing clicks and running
'wizards' ? Where are the south american researcher?, Where is the curiosity?.

I read a documentain that describe signals and It says there are 4 types of
'signal handling enviroments': BSD, SysV unreliable, SysV reliable y POSIX.
What does that means? What are those 'enviroments'?
How can I know which enivorement use certain OS ?
What is "POSIX"?

Also, I am trying to cover all UNIX-like oses in my documentation (HPUX, aix,
sunos, DGUX, *bsd, sco, linux), I'd like to know What is the best computer
science-oriented way to call all those OSes? "Unix based OSes", "Unix like 
OSes" or just "UNIX" ?

bye friends!.

 

Re: Offtopic.

[Carlos Fernandez Sanz]

No offense intended, but it looks like some serious time with google is in
order.

----- Original Message -----
From: "xlp" <xlp@emtel.net.co>
To: <linux-c-programming@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Offtopic.


> Hi, I am writting document in spanish about UNIX programming because I
have
> found that south american universities are focused on Windows, The
students
> and teachers think the computer science is Windows, they dont know others
> OSes, They dont motivate students to understand OSes internals, I dont
> understand Why the degree is "system engienering" if they dont know about
> memory manipulation, threads, procress, IO, debuggers, etc.
> Why study 5 year of engineering if they will work doing clicks and running
> 'wizards' ? Where are the south american researcher?, Where is the
curiosity?.
>
> I read a documentain that describe signals and It says there are 4 types
of
> 'signal handling enviroments': BSD, SysV unreliable, SysV reliable y
POSIX.
> What does that means? What are those 'enviroments'?
> How can I know which enivorement use certain OS ?
> What is "POSIX"?
>
> Also, I am trying to cover all UNIX-like oses in my documentation (HPUX,
aix,
> sunos, DGUX, *bsd, sco, linux), I'd like to know What is the best computer
> science-oriented way to call all those OSes? "Unix based OSes", "Unix like
> OSes" or just "UNIX" ?
>
> bye friends!.
>
>
>
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Re: Offtopic.

[Darío Mariani]

xlp wrote:
> Hi, I am writting document in spanish about UNIX programming because I have
> found that south american universities are focused on Windows, The students
> and teachers think the computer science is Windows, they dont know others
> OSes, They dont motivate students to understand OSes internals, I dont
> understand Why the degree is "system engienering" if they dont know about
> memory manipulation, threads, procress, IO, debuggers, etc.
> Why study 5 year of engineering if they will work doing clicks and running
> 'wizards' ? Where are the south american researcher?, Where is the curiosity?.

   Universidad de Buenos Aires (www.uba.ar) and it's not the only south 
american university.

Re: Offtopic.

[xlp]

> > Hi, I am writting document in spanish about UNIX programming because I have
> > found that south american universities are focused on Windows, The students
> > and teachers think the computer science is Windows, they dont know others
> > OSes, They dont motivate students to understand OSes internals, I dont
> > understand Why the degree is "system engienering" if they dont know about
> > memory manipulation, threads, procress, IO, debuggers, etc.
> > Why study 5 year of engineering if they will work doing clicks and running
> > 'wizards' ? Where are the south american researcher?, Where is the curiosity?.
> 
>    Universidad de Buenos Aires (www.uba.ar) and it's not the only south 
> american university.

I dont want to start a pointless debate, however, The south america engineering
is focused on configuration and administration of foreign technology; Yeah,
I can find a couple of 'unix gurus' at Argentina, but What for? There is no
a school of research and the average engineer is not well structured.

bye.

Re: Offtopic.

[Glynn Clements]

xlp wrote:

> I read a documentain that describe signals and It says there are 4 types of
> 'signal handling enviroments': BSD, SysV unreliable, SysV reliable y POSIX.
> What does that means? What are those 'enviroments'?

I'm only aware of two of those.

The (unreliable) SysV signal() implementation is equivalent to using
sigaction() with the SA_ONESHOT and SA_NODEFER flags.

The BSD signal() implementation is equivalent to using sigaction() with
the SA_RESTART flag.

> How can I know which enivorement use certain OS ?

Check the signal(2) manpage. However, it may be wrong; e.g. my version
(from RedHat 6.2) describes the SysV semantics, although glibc-2
actually uses the BSD semantics by default.

The easiest solution is simply not to use signal(), but to use
sigaction() instead.

> What is "POSIX"?

It's a family of IEEE standards which define a common Unix-like API. 
The original POSIX.1 standard (which specifies the base API) has
largely been superseded; first by the XPG standards and, more
recently, via the Single Unix Specification.

You can read the Single Unix Specification online at www.opengroup.org
(free registration required). AFAIK, the other standards aren't
available online (and copies are very expensive).

-- 
Glynn Clements <glynn.clements@virgin.net>

Ralink - rt2800usb

[Nikita N.]

Hi All,
I'm addressing to the maintainers of Ralink driver rt2800usb (RT2870,
RT3070).
To who can I send my inquiry?
Thanks
-- 
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  nikitan@operamail.com

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Ralink - rt2800usb

[Nikita N.]

Hi All,
I'm addressing to the maintainers of Ralink driver rt2800usb
(RT2870,RT3070) if still anybody alive.
To who can I send my inquiry?
Thanks

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                          or over the web

Ralink - rt2800usb

[Nikita N.]

Hi All,
I'm addressing to the maintainers of Ralink driver rt2800usb
(RT2870,RT3070).
To who can I send my request?
Thanks

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                          wherever you are

Re: Ralink - rt2800usb

[Dan Williams]

On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 13:26 -0700, Nikita N. wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm addressing to the maintainers of Ralink driver rt2800usb
> (RT2870,RT3070).
> To who can I send my request?

This mailing list (linux-wireless@) is the right place.

Dan

Re: Ralink - rt2800usb

[Arend Van Spriel]

On 18-3-2017 1:47, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-03-17 at 13:26 -0700, Nikita N. wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I'm addressing to the maintainers of Ralink driver rt2800usb
>> (RT2870,RT3070).
>> To who can I send my request?

Seeing this kind of emails repeatedly on this list and others makes me
think this is a troll. If not, I am sorry, but get to point if any and
make your request.

Regards,
Arend

> This mailing list (linux-wireless@) is the right place.
> 
> Dan
> 

Re: Ralink - rt2800usb

[Arend Van Spriel]

+ linux-wireless
+ Stanislaw

You probably dropped some people inadvertently so putting some back.

On 18-3-2017 11:49, Nikita N. wrote:
> unfortunately nobody besides you answered my call, so I already stopped
> requesting, because clearly the project is dead, and besides I

That is not what the MAINTAINERS file lists so you might want to send a
patch correcting that file. Anyway, it may also help if you make your
inquiry/request/whatever more concrete.

RALINK RT2X00 WIRELESS LAN DRIVER
P:	rt2x00 project
M:	Stanislaw Gruszka <sgruszka@redhat.com>
M:	Helmut Schaa <helmut.schaa@googlemail.com>
L:	linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
S:	Maintained
F:	drivers/net/wireless/ralink/rt2x00/

> personally think you should mind your own dirty business only

Not sure what business you are referring to here. We are all engaged in
collaborating within the linux community and as such I responded. Not
sure what is "dirty" about that. Maybe I offended you in the past or by
the suggestion you might be a troll, but I did not say you are. If you
are sending emails to a public mailing list, you need to accept that
anyone may respond whatever dirty business they are doing otherwise.
They still spend their time to give you a response, which I personally
think is something you should mind and appreciate.

Regards,
Arend

offtopic

[Nikita N.]

how do you possibly dare to throw a personal message in public!!!
you not able to fix your own personal stuffs yourself?
is that what they teach you at broadcom? no wanders....
mind your own dirty business mr arend, and you know what im talking
about - out
-- 
  Nikita N.
  nikitan@operamail.com


On Sat, Mar 18, 2017, at 06:14 AM, Arend Van Spriel wrote:
> + linux-wireless
> + Stanislaw
> 
> You probably dropped some people inadvertently so putting some back.
> 
> On 18-3-2017 11:49, Nikita N. wrote:
> > unfortunately nobody besides you answered my call, so I already stopped
> > requesting, because clearly the project is dead, and besides I
> 
> That is not what the MAINTAINERS file lists so you might want to send a
> patch correcting that file. Anyway, it may also help if you make your
> inquiry/request/whatever more concrete.
> 
> RALINK RT2X00 WIRELESS LAN DRIVER
> P:      rt2x00 project
> M:      Stanislaw Gruszka <sgruszka@redhat.com>
> M:      Helmut Schaa <helmut.schaa@googlemail.com>
> L:      linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
> S:      Maintained
> F:      drivers/net/wireless/ralink/rt2x00/
> 
> > personally think you should mind your own dirty business only
> 
> Not sure what business you are referring to here. We are all engaged in
> collaborating within the linux community and as such I responded. Not
> sure what is "dirty" about that. Maybe I offended you in the past or by
> the suggestion you might be a troll, but I did not say you are. If you
> are sending emails to a public mailing list, you need to accept that
> anyone may respond whatever dirty business they are doing otherwise.
> They still spend their time to give you a response, which I personally
> think is something you should mind and appreciate.
> 
> Regards,
> Arend

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offtopic

[Fabio Miranda Hamburger]

Hi, I am curious if It's possible to code in C, a small user keylloger.
For exmaple, a unprivileged user log on a machine and the "user kelogger"
start and all key are logged including those typed on getpass() functions.
(ej: passwd) and remote connections with telnet and ssh.

thanks,

---
Fabio Andres Miranda
Ingenieria de sistemas informaticos
Universidad Latina - Costa Rica

Re: offtopic

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Wed, 2003-06-25 13:56:17 -0600, Fabio Miranda Hamburger <fabmirha@ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr>
wrote in message <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306251354300.16254-100000@ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr>:
> Hi, I am curious if It's possible to code in C, a small user keylloger.
> For exmaple, a unprivileged user log on a machine and the "user kelogger"
> start and all key are logged including those typed on getpass() functions.
> (ej: passwd) and remote connections with telnet and ssh.

No need to do programming. Simlpy strace user's shell (and any spawned
processes) and look I/O to file descriptors 0 and 1.

MfG, JBG

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Re: offtopic

[Fabio Miranda Hamburger]

> > Hi, I am curious if It's possible to code in C, a small user keylloger.
> > For exmaple, a unprivileged user log on a machine and the "user kelogger"
> > start and all key are logged including those typed on getpass() functions.
> > (ej: passwd) and remote connections with telnet and ssh.
>
> No need to do programming. Simlpy strace user's shell (and any spawned
> processes) and look I/O to file descriptors 0 and 1.

I dont understand. How to "strace the user's shell"?
I would like to this without root access.
The idea is: code a program that keylog the session of oneself. "script"
unix command doesnt work with getpass() functions.

Re: offtopic

[Glynn Clements]

Fabio Miranda Hamburger wrote:

> > > Hi, I am curious if It's possible to code in C, a small user keylloger.
> > > For exmaple, a unprivileged user log on a machine and the "user kelogger"
> > > start and all key are logged including those typed on getpass() functions.
> > > (ej: passwd) and remote connections with telnet and ssh.
> >
> > No need to do programming. Simlpy strace user's shell (and any spawned
> > processes) and look I/O to file descriptors 0 and 1.
> 
> I dont understand. How to "strace the user's shell"?
> I would like to this without root access.
> The idea is: code a program that keylog the session of oneself. "script"
> unix command doesnt work with getpass() functions.

I suggest modifying "script" to log the input instead of the output.

Essentially, any solution will involve using a pseudo-terminal (pty). 
These are described in chapter 19 of Stevens[1], or you can start with
the source code for any program which uses ptys (e.g. in.telnetd,
xterm, screen, script; of these, script is likely to be the simplest).

[1]
Advanced Programming in the Unix(R) Environment
W Richard Stevens
Addison-Wesley, 1992
0-201-56317-7

-- 
Glynn Clements <glynn.clements@virgin.net>

offtopic

[Camelia NASTASE]

For those of you celebrating Easter these days, I wish you a Happy
Easter and all the best.


Camelia
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