From: Jesse Pollard <jesse@cats-chateau.net>
To: Jeff Randall <randall@uph.com>,
Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
"Downing, Thomas" <Thomas.Downing@ipc.com>,
Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!]
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:43:17 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <03050107431700.26224@tabby> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030430105554.A15778@uph.com>
On Wednesday 30 April 2003 10:55, Jeff Randall wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 08:20:41AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > My point wasn't about theft, it was about reimplementation.
> > I stand behind that point, what I've seen for more than a decade is
> > reimplementation after reimplementation. I'm not saying there is no
> > value to that or that it is illegal or that there are no improvements
> > (compare Unix diff to GNU diff if you want to see some imrovements).
> > There is tons of value in having free versions of useful tools.
> > There is also tons of value in the creation of new work.
> >
> > What I haven't seen is a lot of revolutionary work. All of that seems
> > to come from commercial companies and at a pretty slow pace. There are
> > a lot of false starts, commercial failures, whatever. But a few slam
> > dunks as well.
>
> Mosaic was pretty revolutionary for it's time.. as was Sendmail..
> source was available for both from the start.
Mosaic is/was derived from two sources - gopher for network communication
(derived from network news and/or e-mail) and SGML combined with display only
word processor applications (postscript and pdf previewers).
sendmail was derived from a message routing protocol originally using UUCP,
written to promote research in message routing, and flexibility to reduce the
re-implementation time required on earlier applications. (somewhere there is a
quote from Eric Allman along the lines of "...If I had known how popular it
would become I would have asked for a dime for each installation...")
Neither looked revolutionary at the time.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-05-01 12:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-30 14:52 Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Downing, Thomas
2003-04-30 15:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-30 15:55 ` Jeff Randall
2003-05-01 12:43 ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2003-04-30 18:19 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-30 19:20 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-30 19:41 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-30 19:53 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-30 19:55 ` viro
2003-04-30 20:09 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-30 20:21 ` [Pointless Waffle] " John Bradford
2003-04-30 21:00 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-30 21:57 ` [Pointless Waffle] Re: Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to John Bradford
2003-04-30 18:58 ` Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Edgar Toernig
2003-04-30 22:43 ` Paul Mackerras
2003-05-01 1:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-05-01 12:27 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-05-01 13:11 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-05-01 17:40 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-01 23:40 Chuck Ebbert
2003-05-01 19:06 Chuck Ebbert
2003-05-01 3:16 Tom Lord
2003-04-30 18:39 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-30 16:21 Chuck Ebbert
2003-04-30 17:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-30 15:53 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-30 13:11 Downing, Thomas
2003-04-30 13:59 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-30 14:49 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-04-30 16:01 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-04-30 16:53 ` Dax Kelson
2003-04-30 17:21 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-30 17:45 ` Jim Penny
2003-04-30 19:09 ` Balram Adlakha
2003-04-30 19:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-05-01 2:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-05-01 3:39 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-05-09 11:04 ` Pavel Machek
2003-05-09 23:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-30 20:00 ` Dax Kelson
2003-05-01 11:44 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-02 19:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-05-02 23:10 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-03 19:25 ` Larry McVoy
2003-05-06 11:25 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-05-06 12:13 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-09 10:59 ` Pavel Machek
2003-05-01 12:09 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-05-01 18:01 ` Gerhard Mack
2003-04-27 17:59 James Bottomley
2003-04-29 14:01 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 16:39 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 17:38 ` James Bottomley
2003-04-30 9:43 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-29 23:40 ` Robert White
2003-04-30 1:34 ` Rik van Riel
2003-04-30 10:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-30 20:37 ` Robert White
2003-04-30 20:59 ` David Schwartz
2003-05-01 9:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-05-01 19:49 ` David Schwartz
2003-05-01 20:27 ` Robert White
2003-05-01 23:08 ` David Schwartz
2003-05-02 0:54 ` Robert White
2003-05-02 3:10 ` David Schwartz
2003-05-02 3:34 ` David Schwartz
2003-05-02 13:43 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-30 20:48 ` David Schwartz
2003-04-24 3:59 Flame Linus to a crisp! Linus Torvalds
2003-04-24 8:37 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-04-24 8:59 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 15:37 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-24 18:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-24 22:29 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-27 14:21 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 16:59 ` Why DRM exists [was Re: Flame Linus to a crisp!] Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 17:04 ` Ben Collins
2003-04-27 17:34 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-27 18:41 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-27 17:35 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-04-27 17:49 ` Mirar
2003-04-27 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-04-27 17:59 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-27 21:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-28 1:48 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 9:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-04-27 18:07 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-27 18:35 ` Chris Adams
2003-04-27 18:50 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 19:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-04-27 20:13 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2003-04-27 20:34 ` walt
2003-04-27 21:26 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:07 ` Ross Vandegrift
2003-04-27 22:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 22:05 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:06 ` Ross Vandegrift
2003-04-28 11:03 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-29 18:06 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-28 9:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-04-28 14:55 ` Michael Buesch
2003-04-28 20:04 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-28 20:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 20:22 ` Chris Adams
2003-04-28 21:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 21:40 ` Roman Zippel
2003-04-28 22:13 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-28 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-29 0:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-29 4:07 ` Dax Kelson
2003-04-29 5:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-29 16:40 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 21:45 ` Helge Hafting
2003-04-30 9:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-30 15:06 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 5:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-04-29 16:41 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-29 14:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:34 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 22:51 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2003-04-27 23:53 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:00 ` rmoser
[not found] ` <20030428001001.GP23068@work.bitmover.com>
2003-04-28 0:19 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 0:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-28 0:40 ` rmoser
2003-04-28 11:38 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-04-29 14:21 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 14:27 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-29 19:56 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 20:35 ` Henrik Persson
2003-04-30 8:39 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-27 18:47 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-04-27 18:56 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-27 19:20 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-04-27 21:30 ` Jon Portnoy
2003-04-27 21:32 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2003-04-27 21:56 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:08 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2003-04-27 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-27 23:35 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-27 22:07 ` Matthias Andree
2003-04-28 0:36 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-04-28 9:57 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-05-06 15:58 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-05-07 14:44 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-05-07 14:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-07 21:40 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-05-07 22:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-08 0:33 ` Kurt Wall
2003-04-28 11:26 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-05-06 15:59 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-04-28 22:50 ` Timothy Miller
2003-04-29 14:46 ` Jeffrey Souza
2003-04-29 15:16 ` venom
2003-04-30 9:35 ` Jamie Lokier
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