From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: speck@linutronix.de
Subject: [MODERATED] Encrypted Message
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 12:29:09 -0700 [thread overview]
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From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: speck for Thomas Gleixner <speck@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: L1D-Fault KVM mitigation
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On 05/26/2018 12:14 PM, speck for Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2018, speck for Tim Chen wrote:
>
of load time.
>>
>> We may need to do the co-scheduling only when VM exit rate is low, and
>> turn off the SMT when VM exit rate becomes too high.
>
> You cannot do that during runtime. That will destroy placement schemes and
> whatever. The SMT off decision needs to be done at a quiescent moment,
> i.e. before starting VMs.
Taking the SMT offline is a bit much and too big a hammer. Andi and I thought about
having the scheduler forcing the other thread in idle instead for high
VM exit rate scenario. We don't have
to bother about doing sync with the other idle thread.
But we have issues about fairness, as we will be starving the
other run queue.
>
> Running the same compile single threaded (offlining vCPU1 in the guest)
> increases the time to 107 seconds.
>
> 107 / 88 = 1.22
>
> I.e. it's 20% slower than the one using two threads. That means that it is
> the same slowdown as having two threads synchronized (your number).
yes, with compile workload, the HT speedup was mostly eaten up by
overhead.
>
> So if I take the above example and assume that the overhead of
> synchronization is ~20% then the average vmenter/vmexit time is close to
> 50us.
>
>
> So I can see the usefulness for scenarious which David Woodhouse described
> where vCPU and host CPU have a fixed relationship and the guests exit once
> in a while. But that should really be done with ucode assisantance which
> avoids all the nasty synchronization hackery more or less completely.
The ucode guys are looking into such possibilities. It is tough as they
have to work within the constraint of limited ucode headroom.
Thanks.
Tim
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-29 19:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-04-24 9:06 [MODERATED] L1D-Fault KVM mitigation Joerg Roedel
2018-04-24 9:35 ` [MODERATED] " Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-24 9:48 ` David Woodhouse
2018-04-24 11:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-04-24 11:16 ` David Woodhouse
2018-04-24 15:10 ` Jon Masters
2018-05-23 9:45 ` David Woodhouse
2018-05-24 9:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-24 14:14 ` Jon Masters
2018-05-24 15:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-24 15:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-24 15:38 ` [MODERATED] " Jiri Kosina
2018-05-24 17:22 ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-24 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-24 23:18 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-24 23:28 ` [MODERATED] Re: L1D-Fault KVM mitigation Linus Torvalds
2018-05-25 8:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-28 14:43 ` [MODERATED] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-05-25 18:22 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-26 19:14 ` L1D-Fault KVM mitigation Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-26 20:43 ` [MODERATED] " Andi Kleen
2018-05-26 20:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-27 18:25 ` Andi Kleen
2018-05-27 18:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-27 18:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-27 19:13 ` [MODERATED] " Andrew Cooper
2018-05-27 19:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-27 19:41 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-27 22:26 ` [MODERATED] " Andrew Cooper
2018-05-28 6:47 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-28 12:26 ` [MODERATED] " Andrew Cooper
2018-05-28 14:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-05-28 15:56 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-28 17:15 ` [MODERATED] " Paolo Bonzini
2018-05-27 15:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-27 16:26 ` [MODERATED] " Linus Torvalds
2018-05-27 18:31 ` Andi Kleen
2018-05-29 19:29 ` Tim Chen [this message]
2018-05-29 21:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-30 16:38 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-24 15:44 ` [MODERATED] Re: L1D-Fault KVM mitigation Andi Kleen
2018-05-24 15:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-24 15:59 ` David Woodhouse
2018-05-24 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-24 16:51 ` David Woodhouse
2018-05-24 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-05-25 11:29 ` David Woodhouse
2018-04-24 10:30 ` [MODERATED] Re: ***UNCHECKED*** " Joerg Roedel
2018-04-24 11:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-04-24 16:06 ` [MODERATED] " Andi Kleen
2018-04-24 12:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-05-03 16:20 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-05-07 17:11 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-05-16 8:51 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-05-16 8:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-05-21 10:06 ` David Woodhouse
2018-05-21 13:40 ` Thomas Gleixner
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2018-05-02 21:51 [patch V11 00/16] SSB 0 Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-03 4:27 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-17 20:53 SSB status - V18 pushed out Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-18 13:54 ` [MODERATED] Is: Sleep states ?Was:Re: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-05-18 14:29 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-18 19:50 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-05-29 19:42 [MODERATED] [PATCH 0/2] L1TF KVM 0 Paolo Bonzini
[not found] ` <20180529194240.7F1336110A@crypto-ml.lab.linutronix.de>
2018-05-29 22:49 ` [PATCH 1/2] L1TF KVM 1 Thomas Gleixner
2018-05-29 23:54 ` [MODERATED] " Andrew Cooper
2018-05-30 9:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2018-06-04 8:24 ` [MODERATED] " Martin Pohlack
2018-06-04 13:11 ` [MODERATED] Is: Tim, Q to you. Was:Re: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-06-04 17:59 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2018-06-05 23:34 ` Tim Chen
2018-06-05 23:37 ` Tim Chen
2018-06-07 19:11 ` Tim Chen
2018-06-12 17:29 [MODERATED] FYI - Reading uncached memory Jon Masters
2018-06-14 16:59 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2019-01-12 1:29 [MODERATED] [PATCH v4 00/28] MDSv4 2 Andi Kleen
2019-01-12 1:29 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v4 05/28] MDSv4 10 Andi Kleen
2019-01-14 19:20 ` [MODERATED] " Dave Hansen
2019-01-18 7:33 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-01-14 23:39 ` Tim Chen
2019-01-12 1:29 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v4 10/28] MDSv4 24 Andi Kleen
2019-01-15 1:05 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2019-02-07 23:41 [MODERATED] [PATCH v3 0/6] PERFv3 Andi Kleen
2019-02-07 23:41 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v3 2/6] PERFv3 Andi Kleen
2019-02-08 0:51 ` [MODERATED] Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM][PATCH " Andrew Cooper
2019-02-08 9:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-08 9:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-08 10:53 ` [MODERATED] [RFC][PATCH] performance walnuts Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-15 23:45 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-19 12:44 [patch 0/8] MDS basics 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-21 16:14 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-20 15:07 [patch V2 00/10] MDS basics+ 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-20 15:07 ` [patch V2 04/10] MDS basics+ 4 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-20 17:10 ` [MODERATED] " mark gross
2019-02-21 19:26 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Tim Chen
2019-02-21 23:44 [patch V3 0/9] MDS basics 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-21 23:44 ` [patch V3 4/9] MDS basics 4 Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-22 7:45 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-22 22:24 [patch V4 00/11] MDS basics Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-22 22:24 ` [patch V4 04/11] x86/speculation/mds: Add mds_clear_cpu_buffer() Thomas Gleixner
2019-02-26 14:19 ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-01 20:58 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-01 22:14 ` Jon Masters
2019-02-24 15:07 [MODERATED] [PATCH v6 00/43] MDSv6 Andi Kleen
2019-02-24 15:07 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v6 10/43] MDSv6 Andi Kleen
2019-02-25 16:30 ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-25 16:41 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-24 15:07 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH v6 31/43] MDSv6 Andi Kleen
2019-02-25 15:19 ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-25 15:34 ` Andi Kleen
2019-02-25 15:49 ` Greg KH
2019-02-25 15:52 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-02-25 16:00 ` [MODERATED] " Greg KH
2019-02-25 16:19 ` [MODERATED] " Jon Masters
2019-03-01 21:47 [patch V6 00/14] MDS basics 0 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 06/14] MDS basics 6 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-04 6:28 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 08/14] MDS basics 8 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-04 6:57 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04 7:06 ` Jon Masters
2019-03-04 8:12 ` Jon Masters
2019-03-05 15:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-06 16:21 ` [MODERATED] " Jon Masters
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 10/14] MDS basics 10 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-04 6:45 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-01 21:47 ` [patch V6 12/14] MDS basics 12 Thomas Gleixner
2019-03-04 5:47 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04 5:30 ` Jon Masters
2019-03-04 1:21 [MODERATED] [PATCH RFC 0/4] Proposed cmdline improvements Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-04 1:23 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH RFC 1/4] 1 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-04 3:55 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04 7:30 ` [MODERATED] Re: [PATCH RFC 1/4] 1 Greg KH
2019-03-04 7:45 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04 1:24 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH RFC 3/4] 3 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-04 3:58 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-04 17:17 ` [MODERATED] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-06 16:22 ` [MODERATED] " Jon Masters
2019-03-04 1:25 ` [MODERATED] [PATCH RFC 4/4] 4 Josh Poimboeuf
2019-03-04 4:07 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-05 16:43 [MODERATED] Starting to go public? Linus Torvalds
2019-03-05 17:02 ` [MODERATED] " Andrew Cooper
2019-03-05 20:36 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-03-05 22:31 ` Andrew Cooper
2019-03-06 16:18 ` [MODERATED] Encrypted Message Jon Masters
2019-03-05 17:10 ` Jon Masters
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