self-made potato driver-1.bin

self-made potato driver-1.bin

[Michael Gruner]

Hello,

trying to install a debian potato via ftp on a pc with a smc-ultra-card
is driving me crazy :-/. 

It seems not to be possible to get debian potato to work with smc-ultra
NICs. Some times ago i tried to get it installed on a P90 with a
smc-ultra but had no sucess. Installing SuSE on that pc I had no
problems to get the NIC work. Today the next try: I put the card into a
486 pc result: potato didn't load the module smc-ultra whether I gave
the io and irq i set the jumper on the card on nor i gave no options to
load it: potato every-time told me: device or resource busy... starting
the distribution fli4l (www.fli4l.de) on that pc the card worked without
any problems.

I searched google and groups.google for that but without any sucess
solving the problem.

So i decided to compile my own kernel for the installation disk. I've
got the kernel sources for 2.2.21. I sucessfuly mounted the rescue disk
of my potato so I can put the bzImage as "linux" on it. But what about
the driver-1.bin-disk? I'm not able to mount that disk to replace the
modules on it. 

Any hints for solving the problem with the origin potato disks or how to
mount and replace the driver-1.bin disk with the new kernel modules?

thank you

micha


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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[pa3gcu]

On Sunday 25 August 2002 19:50, Michael Gruner wrote:
> Hello,
>
> trying to install a debian potato via ftp on a pc with a smc-ultra-card
> is driving me crazy :-/.
>
> It seems not to be possible to get debian potato to work with smc-ultra
> NICs. Some times ago i tried to get it installed on a P90 with a
> smc-ultra but had no sucess. Installing SuSE on that pc I had no
> problems to get the NIC work. Today the next try: I put the card into a
> 486 pc result: potato didn't load the module smc-ultra whether I gave
> the io and irq i set the jumper on the card on nor i gave no options to
> load it: potato every-time told me: device or resource busy... starting
> the distribution fli4l (www.fli4l.de) on that pc the card worked without
> any problems.
>
> I searched google and groups.google for that but without any sucess
> solving the problem.
>
> So i decided to compile my own kernel for the installation disk. I've
> got the kernel sources for 2.2.21. I sucessfuly mounted the rescue disk
> of my potato so I can put the bzImage as "linux" on it. But what about
> the driver-1.bin-disk? I'm not able to mount that disk to replace the
> modules on it.
>
> Any hints for solving the problem with the origin potato disks or how to
> mount and replace the driver-1.bin disk with the new kernel modules?

You make it impossable for any hints as you dont say what commands you use, 
execpt, 
"potato didn't load the module smc-ultra whether I gave
the io and irq i set the jumper on the card on nor i gave no options to
load it:"

You dont even say what options you used./////

Now i have a lot of experiance with smc nics, some "early ultra's" have buggy 
firmware and will give you problems as you seem to be having, those early 
type's (some) work with the module  "wd" (in most cases).
Some cards may look like a smc-ultra but have a 8013 chip, the old wd had 
8003's or was called 8003 cant remember, but AFAIK they were 8 bit cards.

A typical modprobe command for the wd module is simply;
 'modprobe wd'

Now if the card is a true smc-ultra then you have 2 jumpers on the card.
With the card placed with component side up and the coax and RJ45 connectors 
on the righthand side there are jumpers at top left.
The first set of jumpers from left to right is numberd W1.
J1 = soft configurated (under linux not in use)
J2 = I/O=280 IRQ=3 
J3 = I/O=300 IRQ=10

W2 Rom ADDRESS
J1 = none/soft 
J2 D8000 (under linux not in use)

I always used the following;
W1, J1 and J2 open, J3 closed 
W2, J1 closed J2 open

I have encounterd many problems with these cards, here are some hints, as far 
as i can remember, its been a long time since i used them.

Dont use IRQ 3 as it is normally used by serial ports.
Use the jumper settings above to avoid memory and I/O address problems.
Make sure your BIOS is set for ISA/PnP on IRQ 10 otherwise some systems will 
quite possably assign irq10 to some PCI adaptor during the init process and 
will produce the error message you mentioned above, 
"  device or resource busy "
It really means the IRQ or I/O address is in use rather than the ethernet 
card is in use.

There are more hints and kinks for the dam cards, i cant think of anymore at 
the minute, however i am sure that those mentioned are the most important.

If your problems persist you have 2 choosie's, 

1) Send another mail, i/wee wil try and help.
2) Throw the dam things away as they are way outdated and olny 10M cards.

>
> thank you
>
> micha

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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[Michael Gruner]

Am Son, 2002-08-25 um 22.46 schrieb pa3gcu:
> You make it impossable for any hints as you dont say what commands you use, 
> execpt, 
> "potato didn't load the module smc-ultra whether I gave
> the io and irq i set the jumper on the card on nor i gave no options to
> load it:"
> 
> You dont even say what options you used./////
Ok, you're right, here it is:
first i used the debian installer which loads the modules for the NICs,
CDRoms... and gave the option io=0x300 
second i switched to the second console and did a "modprobe smc-ultra"
third i switched to the second console and did a modprobe 8390 and a
modprobe smc-ultra
everytimes from a fresh booted potato install...you know the results.
> 
> Now i have a lot of experiance with smc nics, some "early ultra's" have buggy 
> firmware and will give you problems as you seem to be having, those early 
> type's (some) work with the module  "wd" (in most cases).
will give that a try. The thing i don't understand is: trying to install
SuSE and fli4l with that card always works fine by loading their
smc-ultra-module...
> Some cards may look like a smc-ultra but have a 8013 chip, the old wd had 
> 8003's or was called 8003 cant remember, but AFAIK they were 8 bit cards.
on the chip there is "smc-ultra-chip" printed.
> 
> Now if the card is a true smc-ultra then you have 2 jumpers on the card.
> With the card placed with component side up and the coax and RJ45 connectors 
> on the righthand side there are jumpers at top left.
> The first set of jumpers from left to right is numberd W1.
> J1 = soft configurated (under linux not in use)
> J2 = I/O=280 IRQ=3 
> J3 = I/O=300 IRQ=10
I did set the that jumper to J3. the card I have here has the jumper for
the ROM integrated to J1-J5, so you have J1 soft configurated, J2 for
280/3 without ROM J3 for 300/10 without ROM J4 280/3 with ROM and J5
300/10 with ROM.
> 
> I have encounterd many problems with these cards, here are some hints, as far 
> as i can remember, its been a long time since i used them.
> 
> Dont use IRQ 3 as it is normally used by serial ports.
> Use the jumper settings above to avoid memory and I/O address problems.
> Make sure your BIOS is set for ISA/PnP on IRQ 10 otherwise some systems will 
> quite possably assign irq10 to some PCI adaptor during the init process and 
> will produce the error message you mentioned above, 
> "  device or resource busy "
a cat /proc/interrupts told me IRQ 3 and 10 are both unused and cat
/proc/ioports told me that 0x300 must be free as well.
> It really means the IRQ or I/O address is in use rather than the ethernet 
> card is in use.
> 
> 1) Send another mail, i/wee wil try and help.
I'll give that a try ;-)
> 2) Throw the dam things away as they are way outdated and olny 10M cards.
That might not be an alternative to me because as a student there is not
enough money to me and maybe i can learn something by getting that cards
work together with debian.

> http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/
off-topic: is that Newzeeland near australia?

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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[pa3gcu]

On Monday 26 August 2002 12:09, Michael Gruner wrote:

> first i used the debian installer which loads the modules for the NICs,
> CDRoms... and gave the option io=0x300
> second i switched to the second console and did a "modprobe smc-ultra"
> third i switched to the second console and did a modprobe 8390 and a
> modprobe smc-ultra
> everytimes from a fresh booted potato install...you know the results.
>
> > Now i have a lot of experiance with smc nics, some "early ultra's" have
> > buggy firmware and will give you problems as you seem to be having, those
> > early type's (some) work with the module  "wd" (in most cases).
>
> will give that a try. The thing i don't understand is: trying to install
> SuSE and fli4l with that card always works fine by loading their
> smc-ultra-module...
>
> > Some cards may look like a smc-ultra but have a 8013 chip, the old wd had
> > 8003's or was called 8003 cant remember, but AFAIK they were 8 bit cards.
>
> on the chip there is "smc-ultra-chip" printed.

Ok then forget the "wd" stuff, you have a later model of the smc-ultra.

>
> > Now if the card is a true smc-ultra then you have 2 jumpers on the card.
> > With the card placed with component side up and the coax and RJ45
> > connectors on the righthand side there are jumpers at top left.
> > The first set of jumpers from left to right is numberd W1.
> > J1 = soft configurated (under linux not in use)
> > J2 = I/O=280 IRQ=3
> > J3 = I/O=300 IRQ=10
>
> I did set the that jumper to J3. the card I have here has the jumper for
> the ROM integrated to J1-J5, so you have J1 soft configurated, J2 for
> 280/3 without ROM J3 for 300/10 without ROM J4 280/3 with ROM and J5
> 300/10 with ROM.

I just took another look at a card here, its an old one and does not have the 
smc chip, so i may be wrong about the jumper settings.
However i have two working examples here, and i see that one has W2set to 
none/soft and the other has W2 set to D8000.

Anyway, the memory address should not cause problems that is AFAIK.

>
> > I have encounterd many problems with these cards, here are some hints, as
> > far as i can remember, its been a long time since i used them.
> >
> > Dont use IRQ 3 as it is normally used by serial ports.
> > Use the jumper settings above to avoid memory and I/O address problems.
> > Make sure your BIOS is set for ISA/PnP on IRQ 10 otherwise some systems
> > will quite possably assign irq10 to some PCI adaptor during the init
> > process and will produce the error message you mentioned above,
> > "  device or resource busy "
>
> a cat /proc/interrupts told me IRQ 3 and 10 are both unused and cat
> /proc/ioports told me that 0x300 must be free as well.

Yes but is your BIOS set to ISA/PnP if it is not then that may well cause you 
problems. Remember smc-ultra = 16 bits and therefor ISA.

insmod 8390
insmod smc-ultra io=0x300

Should work.

I have a true smc-ultra in a router at work and all that is used to init the 
card is;

modprobe smc-ultra 
(but depmod has been run so kmod should know about the 8390 dependancy).

All i can now offer is really what you have tryed, (as far as i can tell).
But please check your BIOS..
You could even try and see what options the debian potato uses to init the 
card.
If it works under deb, then it WILL work on any distro, that is a fact.

>
> > http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/
>
> off-topic: is that Newzeeland near australia?

O no, much closer to you that you think, note the ".nl"
Zeeland is a Province in The Netherlands.
zeelandnet.nl is our local provider, or at least that's what they call 
themselfs.

>
> micha

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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[Ray Olszewski]

Well ... I'm kinda the resident Debian junkie here, but I haven't done a 
potato install in well over a year, and I've never used an smc-ultra NIC 
that I can recall. So the advice I can offer is limited.

First, why not try installing Woody? Potato is no longer Debian-stable; 
Woody is, as of about a month ago. Its installer may be new enough to solve 
your problem.

Second, if you want help troubleshooting the smc-ultra problem, that 
requires kernel expertise, not Debian expertise as suchh. But you haven't 
given us any info to work with; Richared already ran through the right list 
of questions.

Third, I'm curious as to how you created a working replacement kernel for 
the bootdisk. Did you follow the instructions in the README file on the 
rescue floppy?  If you did, then you should have a working replacement, so 
why not just dodge the modules issue completely by compiling in the NIC 
drivers you need (as newer bootdisks do with the tulip driver, for example)?

Finally ... if you have a working system, install the boot-floppies 
package. In includes a script for creating the drivers disk set. The 
drivers file is created as a single file, then put on multiple floppies 
using a small c program called "floppy-split". I haven't used this myself, 
but I doubt you can fake your way around it ... from a quick skim of the 
source, it looks like the driver floppies don't have a real filesystem on 
them, just parts of a file that can be reassembled by some app on the 
rescue disk.

(If you don't have a working Debian system, this last suggestion has a 
Catch-22 sound to it. Sorry; I'm only the messenger here.)

At 09:50 PM 8/25/02 +0200, Michael Gruner wrote:
>Hello,
>
>trying to install a debian potato via ftp on a pc with a smc-ultra-card
>is driving me crazy :-/.
>
>It seems not to be possible to get debian potato to work with smc-ultra
>NICs. Some times ago i tried to get it installed on a P90 with a
>smc-ultra but had no sucess. Installing SuSE on that pc I had no
>problems to get the NIC work. Today the next try: I put the card into a
>486 pc result: potato didn't load the module smc-ultra whether I gave
>the io and irq i set the jumper on the card on nor i gave no options to
>load it: potato every-time told me: device or resource busy... starting
>the distribution fli4l (www.fli4l.de) on that pc the card worked without
>any problems.
>
>I searched google and groups.google for that but without any sucess
>solving the problem.
>
>So i decided to compile my own kernel for the installation disk. I've
>got the kernel sources for 2.2.21. I sucessfuly mounted the rescue disk
>of my potato so I can put the bzImage as "linux" on it. But what about
>the driver-1.bin-disk? I'm not able to mount that disk to replace the
>modules on it.
>
>Any hints for solving the problem with the origin potato disks or how to
>mount and replace the driver-1.bin disk with the new kernel modules?





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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[Michael Gruner]

Am Mon, 2002-08-26 um 00.40 schrieb Ray Olszewski:
> First, why not try installing Woody? Potato is no longer Debian-stable; 
> Woody is, as of about a month ago. Its installer may be new enough to solve 
> your problem.
I downloaded the woody install-disks and will give that a try. I use
potato because I have potato cds here and a 56k modem line without a
flatrate :-/

> Third, I'm curious as to how you created a working replacement kernel for 
> the bootdisk. Did you follow the instructions in the README file on the 
> rescue floppy?  If you did, then you should have a working replacement, so 
> why not just dodge the modules issue completely by compiling in the NIC 
> drivers you need (as newer bootdisks do with the tulip driver, for example)?
I read the README on the floppy and I think I now know how to put a new
kernel on that floppy so the question is how to build that driver-x.bin
disks
> 
> Finally ... if you have a working system, install the boot-floppies 
> package. In includes a script for creating the drivers disk set. 
my production-desktop is a SuSE(rpm-based). However I'll try to get that
.deb installed on it.
> The 
> drivers file is created as a single file, then put on multiple floppies 
> using a small c program called "floppy-split". I haven't used this myself, 
> but I doubt you can fake your way around it ... from a quick skim of the 
> source, it looks like the driver floppies don't have a real filesystem on 
> them, just parts of a file that can be reassembled by some app on the 
> rescue disk.
That sounds interesting I'll search for that floppy-split program to get
more information about how to create that one file as you mentioned.

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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[Ray Olszewski]

Just a small clarification.

At 02:09 PM 8/26/02 +0200, Michael Gruner wrote:
[...]

>That sounds interesting I'll search for that floppy-split program to get
>more information about how to create that one file as you mentioned.

The C source for this program is part of the Debian boot-floppies package I 
referred you to in my prior message. The source lists no author or other 
identifying info. I'd *guess* it was written for this package and may be 
difficult to fild elsewhere.



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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[ichi]

Michael Gruner wrote:
> 
> It seems not to be possible to get debian potato to work 
> with smc-ultra NICs. 

I don't use Debian, but I do have an ISA smc-ultra NIC.
It works fine in BasicLinux when I do:
-----------
insmod 8390
insmod wd
-----------

Cheers,
Steven


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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[pa3gcu]

On Monday 26 August 2002 08:20, ichi@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> Michael Gruner wrote:
> > It seems not to be possible to get debian potato to work
> > with smc-ultra NICs.
>
> I don't use Debian, but I do have an ISA smc-ultra NIC.
> It works fine in BasicLinux when I do:
> -----------
> insmod 8390
> insmod wd
> -----------

Then its NOT a true smc-ultra card period.
Simply a buggy old first one off the prodution line smc-ultra's by the sound 
of it.
And because you said mpdporbe 8390 i suspect its an 8 bits card as well.

>
> Cheers,
> Steven

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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[ichi]

pa3gcu wrote:
> 
> On Monday 26 August 2002 08:20, ichi@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > -----------
> > insmod 8390
> > insmod wd
> > -----------
>
> And because you said mpdporbe 8390 i suspect its an 
> 8 bits card as well.

Yup, she's 8 bits.  However, even if I ran depmod on my 
system (which I don't), I would never say "modprobe 8390".
All that would be necessary is:
-----------
modprobe wd
-----------

Cheers,
Steven

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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[pa3gcu]

On Monday 26 August 2002 10:12, ichi@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> pa3gcu wrote:
> > On Monday 26 August 2002 08:20, ichi@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > > -----------
> > > insmod 8390
> > > insmod wd
> > > -----------
> >
> > And because you said mpdporbe 8390 i suspect its an
> > 8 bits card as well.

I typed modprobe but i meant to type insmod, my fault...

>
> Yup, she's 8 bits.  However, even if I ran depmod on my
> system (which I don't), I would never say "modprobe 8390".
> All that would be necessary is:
> -----------
> modprobe wd
> -----------

The above is what i said in my reply to the smc-ultra question,

However you say you dont use depmod, but i bet it was ran once tho' and you 
have a file called modules.dep in /lib/modules/kernel-version-number.

Anyway its all OT for the question on hand and your card is not a smc-ultra.
You have a WD-8003

>
> Cheers,
> Steven
>
> _________________________________________________
> Modprobe is for wimps.  Real penguins use insmod.
>

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Re: self-made potato driver-1.bin

[Hal MacArgle]

Greetings: FWIW we "wimps" <grin-to-Steven> have used SMC-Ultra ISA
cards exclusively for years and they are on every one of our
machines, Slackware 3.XX thru 8.0 and we've only had to invoke
'modprobe smc-ultra' for perfect results as long as the jumper was on
0x300, irq 10.. On some machines with PCI problems we had to use
SMC's Dos software to flash the cards eprom to another irq..

Since the new moboards have NO ISA slots we're concerned that,
possibly in the future, we wont be able to use our thin net coax
cable lashup.. Come to think of it we're still using a WD8003 in one
machine.. Hey it's 10mbs..:^)

Interesting thread.

Cheers,

    Hal - in Terra Alta, WV - Slackware GNU/Linux 8.0   (2.4.13)
	       haltec@iceweb.net | w8mch@iceweb.net..

On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 06:28:48AM +0000, pa3gcu wrote:
> On Monday 26 August 2002 10:12, ichi@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > pa3gcu wrote:
> > > On Monday 26 August 2002 08:20, ichi@ihug.co.nz wrote:
> > > > -----------
> > > > insmod 8390
> > > > insmod wd
> > > > -----------
> > >
> > > And because you said mpdporbe 8390 i suspect its an
> > > 8 bits card as well.
> 
> I typed modprobe but i meant to type insmod, my fault...
> 
> >
> > Yup, she's 8 bits.  However, even if I ran depmod on my
> > system (which I don't), I would never say "modprobe 8390".
> > All that would be necessary is:
> > -----------
> > modprobe wd
> > -----------
> 
> The above is what i said in my reply to the smc-ultra question,
> 
> However you say you dont use depmod, but i bet it was ran once tho' and you 
> have a file called modules.dep in /lib/modules/kernel-version-number.
> 
> Anyway its all OT for the question on hand and your card is not a smc-ultra.
> You have a WD-8003
> 
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Steven
> >
> > _________________________________________________
> > Modprobe is for wimps.  Real penguins use insmod.
> >
> 
> -- 
> Regards Richard
> pa3gcu@zeelandnet.nl
> http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/
> 
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