Correct list

Correct list

[Joel Linuxdude]

I have the correct list. Again, I was told by one of the
Netfilter CORE team guys to please mail THIS list in order
to abtain my answers.


Joel


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Re: Correct list

[Martin Josefsson]

On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 16:11, Joel Linuxdude wrote:
> I have the correct list. Again, I was told by one of the
> Netfilter CORE team guys to please mail THIS list in order
> to abtain my answers.

Well, I don't care who said what, you've been given bogus directions as
those questions are not development related. They belong on the users
list (netfilter@lists.netfilter.org).

-- 
/Martin

Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat
you with experience.

Re: Correct list

[Joel Linuxdude]

>On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 16:11, Joel Linuxdude wrote:
> > I have the correct list. Again, I was told by one of the
> > Netfilter CORE team guys to please mail THIS list in order
> > to obtain my answers.
>
>Well, I don't care who said what, you've been given bogus directions as
>those questions are not development related. They belong on the users
>list (netfilter@lists.netfilter.org).
>
>--
>/Martin

Martin,

  Thanks for being so rude to me but I really need to get working
on this document. I am sure there are plenty of people who could
use it.

  So, can you please read this email and lets put this all
aside for the sake of the Netfilter project and its further
propagation?

  Thanks and please remember that the Linux community is based
upon charity from others. Even charity in the form of patience.
Now, I am going to do MY charity work for the "movement" and
donate my time, efforts and skills to teaching people how to
USE Netfilter and UNDERSTAND it. Its a small part but I am
going to do it.

Joel




On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:22:01AM -0400, Joel Frese wrote:
>Hello!
>
>   COMMENT: I have studied Netfilter and its usage for about 1 year
>now and I _still_ do not fully "get it". Either I am stupid or all
>of the documentation from third party people is in error/poorly
>written. Maybe a little both. ;-)

;)

>   QUESTION: Would ANY of the core guys who know about the internal
>stuff be willing to answer some mailing-list type questions for
>the sake of a really good reference guide (or the best I can
>do). Please let me know, I really want to make a differance here.

sure. just go ahead and ask them on netfilter-devel (maybe Cc' them to me
personally).  This way we make sure the answers can be read by other people
on the list as well.

>   COMMENT: I am a programming student and I _hope_ I can make
>a contribution to code someday. *sigh*

looking forward to it ;)

>Joel Frese

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Re: Correct list

[Peter Surda]

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>  Thanks for being so rude to me but I really need to get working
> on this document. I am sure there are plenty of people who could
> use it.
Hmm.

>  COMMENT: I have studied Netfilter and its usage for about 1 year
>now and I _still_ do not fully "get it". Either I am stupid or all
>of the documentation from third party people is in error/poorly
>written. Maybe a little both. ;-)
What EXACTLY don't you understand? I have only written little code into
netfilter, but I think it's pretty easy. Didn't even read docs, found what I
needed in the code self.

Bye,

Peter Surda (Shurdeek) <shurdeek@panorama.sth.ac.at>, ICQ 10236103, +436505122023

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Re: Correct list

[Joel Linuxdude]

Hey Filip!

>Hi Joel,
>
>On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 03:09, Joel Linuxdude wrote:
> >
> >   Thanks for being so rude to me but I really need to get working
> > on this document. I am sure there are plenty of people who could
> > use it.
>
>I am sure Martin didn't mean to be rude or insult you...

Well, what he said was not so bad but often times mailing lists are
platforms for people who want to act like they know something,
show off, put people down to make themselves feel better and
I didnt know if that was who Martin was or not. I know that
he is not- I am just touchy. ;-)

I am going to do what you said and use the other list first
but please note that if I get the wrong information from
somebody on the other list, it could cause people (wanting
to migrate from Microsoft to Netfilter) to stumble! I really
dont want that! This is opposite of what I am trying to
do! So, I am concerned.

Do you think some developers would PROOF READ my final document(s)
instead????

Thanks Filip! I appreciate your kind reply. =)

Joel



> >   So, can you please read this email and lets put this all
> > aside for the sake of the Netfilter project and its further
> > propagation?
>
>Joel, when Harald replied to your mail and pointed you to
>netfilter-devel, he probably thought you were going to ask
>questions about netfilter/iptables code, not end-user questions.
>
>The netfilter-devel list is crowded with people who discuss
>code changes to the netfilter project. Honestly, most of the
>guys on there couldn't be bothered with answering questions
>about how netfilter works anymore. Case in point: your questions
>have not been answered yet.
>
>The netfilter list has many nice people on it (including the
>occasional developer (like Harald and Martin) who answer user
>questions when they find the time for it), and they will gladly
>answer any questions any new user may have about how netfilter
>works.
>
> >   Thanks and please remember that the Linux community is based
> > upon charity from others. Even charity in the form of patience.
> > Now, I am going to do MY charity work for the "movement" and
> > donate my time, efforts and skills to teaching people how to
> > USE Netfilter and UNDERSTAND it. Its a small part but I am
> > going to do it.
>
>Thanks for those efforts. But note that you'll be helping out more
>people if you ask these questions on the netfilter mailing list,
>where other new netfilter admins can learn from your questions and
>other people's answers.
>
>You'll also understand that people doing development on Open
>Source projects are valuable resources, and any time they have to
>spend answering questions that others know the answers to, is
>wasted time they could have spend coding new stuff...
>
>No hard feelings, I hope.
>
>Kind regards,
>Filip


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