[uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intel pitches pocket-size 'personal server'

[uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intel pitches pocket-size 'personal server'

[Barry Flanagan]

On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 19:01, Burnes, James wrote:
> Roland,
> 
> Thanks for testing it.  Another excellent application.  Sarah,
> Gian...take note..

I also have NX with full KDE running inside UML. Works a treat. so far I
have had 5 such UMLs running within a single 2.5GHz/1Gb single CPU
system and they are very usable.

Now to try multiple NX/UMLs running on an OpenSSI cluster ;-)

-Barry

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: devzero@web.de [mailto:devzero@web.de]
> > Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 12:02 PM
> > To: nxusers@nomachine.com; nxdevelopers@nomachine.com
> > Cc: pinzari@nomachine.com; Burnes, James; nj.lee@plumtree.co.nz; user-
> > mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net; Jeff Dike
> > Subject: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intel pitches pocket-size 'personal
> > server'
> > 
> > hi !
> > i made some tests with NX running inside a user-mode-linux machine
> today.
> > i used wmaker as window-manager because i don`t have full kde
> installed
> > inside my uml. i didn`t do heavy testing, but from my first poing of
> view:
> > RUNS GOOD!
> > :)
> > 
> > > I agree.  A similar component is the "virtual server" concept that
> > > represented by programs like User-Mode Linux.  NX seems like it
> would be
> > > the perfect front end to UML.  There are a lot of UML environments
> that
> > > people pay $9-$50/month so they can have their own root server out
> on
> > > the Internet.
> > i agree,too - NX could probably add "real value" to such "dedicated
> root
> > servers" (personal edition of NX is quite inexpensive).
> > 
> > > Since these UMLs can be quite remote and are usually running Linux
> or
> > > FreeBSD, NX is the perfect user interface.  Maybe you should have
> Sarah
> > > check out co-marketing NX with these UML environments.
> > agree. are there any providers offering dedicated root servers (i mean
> > real
> > machines) with "advanced remote administration facility via NX" at
> this
> > time  ?
> > 
> > regards
> > roland
> > 
> > ps:
> > uml for testing is suse 9.1 with kernel 2.6.6 + sysemu patch, host is
> suse
> > 9.0
> > with kernel 2.6.6 + skas3 + sysemu patch.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Burnes, James" <james.burnes@gwl.com>
> > To: <nxdevelopers@nomachine.com>; "NX Users" <nxusers@nomachine.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: Intel pitches pocket-size 'personal server'
> > 
> > 
> > > Gian,
> > >
> > > I agree.  A similar component is the "virtual server" concept that
> > > represented by programs like User-Mode Linux.  NX seems like it
> would
> > > the perfect front end to UML.  There are a lot of UML environments
> that
> > > people pay $9-$50/month so they can have their own root server out
> on
> > > the Internet.
> > >
> > > Since these UMLs can be quite remote and are usually running Linux
> or
> > > FreeBSD, NX is the perfect user interface.  Maybe you should have
> Sarah
> > > check out co-marketing NX with these UML environments.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > jim burnes
> > > security engineer
> > > great-west, denver
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-nxdevelopers@nomachine.com [mailto:owner-
> > > > nxdevelopers@nomachine.com] On Behalf Of Gian Filippo Pinzari
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:31 PM
> > > > To: NX Users; NX Developers
> > > > Subject: Intel pitches pocket-size 'personal server'
> > > >
> > > > http://news.com.com/1606-2-5208490.html?tag=ne.guts.vid
> > > >
> > > > I just found this on CNET. It's a video showcasing the
> > > > Intel's "personal server". I really think that this kind
> > > > of devices will represent a shift in how people look at
> > > > mobile and personal computing and NX is clearly designed
> > > > to be their software complement. What do you think about
> > > > this?
> > > >
> > > > /Gian Filippo.
> > >
> > >
> 
> 
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Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intel pitches pocket-size 'personal server'

[Ulf Bartelt]

Am Fr, den 28.05.2004 schrieb Barry Flanagan um 20:24:
> I also have NX with full KDE running inside UML. Works a treat. so far I
> have had 5 such UMLs running within a single 2.5GHz/1Gb single CPU
> system and they are very usable.

X with network-enabled displaymanager inside uml is not new to me for 2
yrs or so... but what is NX?




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Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intel pitchespocket-size 'personal server'

[roland]

hi!
NX is a revolutionary X11 protocol compression which lets you run X11
over low bandwidth / low latency wan links.

did you every run X11 over 56k and wondered, how bad this works?
so - NX is for you :)

see the faq at: http://www.nomachine.com/faq.php

you really should http://www.nomachine.com/testdrive.php give a try.
it`s impressing. 

regards
roland

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ulf Bartelt" <ulf.bartelt@web.de>
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Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intel pitchespocket-size 'personal server'


> Am Fr, den 28.05.2004 schrieb Barry Flanagan um 20:24:
> > I also have NX with full KDE running inside UML. Works a treat. so far I
> > have had 5 such UMLs running within a single 2.5GHz/1Gb single CPU
> > system and they are very usable.
> 
> X with network-enabled displaymanager inside uml is not new to me for 2
> yrs or so... but what is NX?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intel pitchespocket-size 'personal server'

[Ulf Bartelt]

Am Fr, den 28.05.2004 schrieb roland um 23:55:
> NX is a revolutionary X11 protocol compression which lets you run X11
> over low bandwidth / low latency wan links.
> 
> did you every run X11 over 56k and wondered, how bad this works?
> so - NX is for you :)
[[[...]]]

thanks!

but why that extreme happy-dance?

did anyone doubt NX would run in uml?




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Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intel pitchespocket-size 'personal server'

[Milan P. Stanic]

On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 11:55:57PM +0200, roland wrote:
> NX is a revolutionary X11 protocol compression which lets you run X11
> over low bandwidth / low latency wan links.
> 
> did you every run X11 over 56k and wondered, how bad this works?
> so - NX is for you :)

With lbxproxy to? Six (or more) years ago I played tetris over 28.800
modem.
 


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Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intelpitchespocket-size 'personal server'

[roland]

> but why that extreme happy-dance?
extreme? did i ? :)
NX is just a very cool product being worth mentioned - and for the NX 
team it is probably interesting or even important to know, that (and how) it 
runs with UML:)
vice versa, it could be an interesting thing for uml providers/hosters.

> did anyone doubt NX would run in uml?
yes, me! ;)
i didn`t only test it to see it run, but to see how it performed.
UML is good - and it`s comparatative stable - but it`s not perfect (yet) ;)

btw: NX crashed my UML about a hour ago while logging in - unfortunately it`s not 
reproducable.

regards
roland



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ulf Bartelt" <ulf.bartelt@web.de>
To: "roland" <for_spam@gmx.de>
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Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intelpitchespocket-size 'personal server'


> Am Fr, den 28.05.2004 schrieb roland um 23:55:
> > NX is a revolutionary X11 protocol compression which lets you run X11
> > over low bandwidth / low latency wan links.
> > 
> > did you every run X11 over 56k and wondered, how bad this works?
> > so - NX is for you :)
> [[[...]]]
> 
> thanks!
> 
> but why that extreme happy-dance?
> 
> did anyone doubt NX would run in uml?
> 
> 


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Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intelpitchespocket-size 'personal server'

[Ulf Bartelt]

Am Sa, den 29.05.2004 schrieb roland um 0:31:
> UML is good - and it`s comparatative stable - but it`s not perfect (yet) ;)
> 
> btw: NX crashed my UML about a hour ago while logging in - unfortunately it`s not 
> reproducable.

oooooh....

the last crash i had was a suddnely terminating uml process ( just
falling down to the host prompt without any error message and i am not
good runtime-debugger :-( ) when i tried to compress multiple copies of
linux-2.4.24 sources with all compression metods e2compr (see
e2compr.sourceforge.net) offers in parallel...

there i really dont know who is to blame.... uml or e2compr?




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Re: [uml-devel] RE: NX inside UML - WAS: Re: Intelpitchespocket-size 'personal server'

[Henrik Nordstrom]

On Sat, 29 May 2004, Ulf Bartelt wrote:

> the last crash i had was a suddnely terminating uml process ( just
> falling down to the host prompt without any error message and i am not
> good runtime-debugger :-( ) when i tried to compress multiple copies of
> linux-2.4.24 sources with all compression metods e2compr (see
> e2compr.sourceforge.net) offers in parallel...
> 
> there i really dont know who is to blame.... uml or e2compr?

uml, unless you pushed the uml guest too far in memory usage..

no applications should be able to terminate the uml, but if you push a 
Linux system too far in memory usage bad things will often happen..

Regards
Henrik



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