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From: Matthew Dobson <colpatch@us.ibm.com>
To: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Cc: Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>,
	Rick Lindsley <ricklind@us.ibm.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>,
	Simon.Derr@bull.net, pwil3058@bigpond.net.au,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, efocht@hpce.nec.com,
	LSE Tech <lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	hch@infradead.org, steiner@sgi.com,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@sgi.com>,
	sylvain.jeaugey@bull.net, djh@sgi.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	sivanich@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpusets - big numa cpu and memory placement
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:00:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1097283613.6470.146.camel@arrakis> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041008112319.63b694de.pj@sgi.com>

On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 11:23, Paul Jackson wrote:
> CKRM aspires to be both a general purpose resource management framework
> and the embodiment of fair share scheduling.

I think your missing something here.  CKRM, as I understand it, aspires
to be a general purpose resource management framework.  To that point I
will accede.  But the second part, about CKRM being the embodiment of
fair share scheduling, is secondary.  That is simply one of it's
potential functions as a general purpose resource management framework. 
It could also be the embodiment of unfair scheduling, if you choose to
implement such a resource controller.  It wouldn't be very useful, but
it could be a fun exercise! ;)


> If for whatever reason, you don't think it is worth the effort to morph
> the virtual resouce manager that is currently embedded within CKRM into
> an independent, neutral framework, then don't expect the rest of us to
> embrace it.  Do you think Reiser would have gladly used vfs to plug in
> his file system if it had been called "ext"?  In my personal opinion, it
> would be foolhardy for SGI, NEC, Bull, Platform (LSF) or Altair (PBS) to
> rely on critical technology so clearly biased toward and dominated by a
> natural competitor.

I don't think that is terribly fair.  I can honestly say that I'm not
opposing your implementation because of who you work for.  I could care
less.  I'm opposing it because I think I've got an alternative that can
offer the same functionality with less impact.  I don't work on CKRM,
and when I wrote my code CKRM was not even on my radar.  If
sched_domains will play nicer with CKRM than cpusets, thats just a
bonus.  I certainly didn't design it that way!


> When someone offers you an open door ("Keep talking"), don't slam it in
> their face.  It might not open again.

*More* analogies!?! ;)


> ... keep talking ...

I warned you!

-Matt


  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-09  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 234+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-05 10:08 [PATCH] new bitmap list format (for cpusets) Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 10:10 ` [PATCH] cpusets - big numa cpu and memory placement Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 20:55   ` [Lse-tech] " Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06  2:05     ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06  3:24       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06  8:31         ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06 15:30         ` Erich Focht
2004-08-06 15:35           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-06 15:48             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-07  6:30               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-07  6:45               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-06 15:49             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-06 15:52             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-06 15:55             ` Erich Focht
2004-08-07  6:10           ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-07 15:22             ` Erich Focht
2004-08-07 18:59               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08  3:17               ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08 14:50               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11  0:43                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11  9:40                 ` Erich Focht
2004-08-11 14:49                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11 17:50                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 21:12                       ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-12  7:15                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12 12:58                           ` Jack Steiner
2004-08-12 14:50                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-11 15:12                   ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-08 20:22               ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-09 15:57                 ` Hubertus Franke
2004-08-10 11:31                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-08-10 22:38                     ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-11 10:42                       ` Erich Focht
2004-08-11 14:56                         ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-08-14  8:51                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-08 19:58             ` Shailabh Nagar
2004-10-01 23:41               ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-02  6:06                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 14:55                   ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-10-02 16:14                     ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 18:04                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 23:21                       ` Peter Williams
2004-10-02 23:44                         ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-03  0:00                           ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  3:44                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05  3:13                           ` [ckrm-tech] " Matthew Helsley
2004-10-05  8:30                             ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-05 14:20                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  2:59                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:19                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:53                           ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  4:47                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  5:12                               ` Peter Williams
2004-10-03  5:39                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  4:02                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:39                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 14:36                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-03 15:39                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 23:53                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  0:02                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  0:53                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  3:56                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  4:24                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:03                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 15:53                                         ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 18:17                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 20:25                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 22:15                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-05  9:17                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 10:01                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 22:24                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-05  9:26                                         ` Simon Derr
2004-10-05  9:58                                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 19:34                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-06  0:28                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  1:16                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-06  2:08                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 22:59                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06 23:23                                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-10-07  0:16                                                       ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-07 18:27                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07  8:51                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 10:53                                                       ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-07 14:41                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
     [not found]                                                         ` <20041007072842.2bafc320.pj@sgi.com>
2004-10-07 19:05                                                           ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-10  2:15                                                             ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:06                                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:58                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-12 21:22                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-12  8:50                                                                 ` Simon Derr
2004-10-12 21:25                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-10  2:28                                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  0:06                                                           ` Matthew Dobson
     [not found]                                                           ` <4165A31E.4070905@watson.ibm.com>
2004-10-08 13:14                                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-08 15:42                                                               ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-08 18:23                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  1:00                                                                   ` Matthew Dobson [this message]
2004-10-09 20:08                                                                     ` [Lse-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:16                                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:42                                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  0:05                                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-11 22:18                                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 22:39                                                                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  0:51                                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-10  0:50                                                                 ` [Lse-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  0:59                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-09  0:22                                                             ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-12 22:24                                                               ` [Lse-tech] " Hanna Linder
2004-10-13 20:56                                                                 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07 12:47                                                       ` [Lse-tech] " Simon Derr
2004-10-07 14:49                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-07 17:54                                                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 18:13                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08  9:23                                                               ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08  9:50                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-08 10:40                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08 14:26                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08  9:53                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-08 11:40                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-08 14:24                                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-08 22:37                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-14 10:35                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-10-14 11:22                                                                 ` Erich Focht
2004-10-14 11:23                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-14 19:39                                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-14 22:38                                                                   ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-15  1:26                                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 18:25                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-07 19:52                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 21:04                                                                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Matthew Helsley
2004-10-10  3:22                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-07 19:16                                                             ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-10  2:35                                                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-10  5:12                                                           ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-08 23:48                                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-09  0:18                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-11 23:00                                                           ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-11 23:09                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2004-10-05 22:33                                           ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06  3:01                                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 23:12                                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07  8:59                                                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  0:45                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 11:44                                 ` Rick Lindsley
2004-10-04 22:46                                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-05 22:19                               ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-06  2:39                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 23:21                                   ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-07  9:41                                     ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  2:47                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  9:43                                   ` Simon Derr
2004-10-06 13:27                                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06 21:55                                     ` Peter Williams
2004-10-06 22:49                                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-06  8:02                                 ` Simon Derr
2005-02-07 23:59                                 ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08  0:20                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-08  0:34                                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08  9:54                                   ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2005-02-08  9:49                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-08 16:13                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-02-08 23:26                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-09  4:23                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08 19:32                                       ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-09  2:53                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-02-08 19:00                                     ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08 20:42                                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-08 22:14                                         ` Matthew Dobson
2005-02-08 23:58                                           ` Shailabh Nagar
2005-02-09  0:27                                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-09  0:24                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-09 17:59                                         ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11  2:46                                           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11  9:21                                             ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-12  1:37                                               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-12  6:16                                                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-11 16:54                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-11 18:42                                               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2005-02-11 18:50                                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-02-08 16:15                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-02-08 22:17                                     ` Matthew Dobson
2004-10-03 16:02                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 23:47                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04  3:33                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 20:10                           ` Tim Hockin
2004-10-04  1:56                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  3:35                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 20:21                   ` Erich Focht
2004-10-03 20:48                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-04 14:05                       ` Erich Focht
2004-10-04 14:57                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 15:30                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:41                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 16:02                               ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 18:19                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-10-04 18:29                                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 15:38                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 16:46                           ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04  3:41                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 13:58                     ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-04 14:13                       ` Simon Derr
2004-10-04 14:15                       ` Erich Focht
2004-10-04 15:23                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 14:37                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 15:46                 ` [ckrm-tech] " Marc E. Fiuczynski
2004-10-02 16:17                   ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 17:53                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 18:16                       ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 19:14                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 23:29                         ` Peter Williams
2004-10-02 23:51                           ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 20:40                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-02 23:08                       ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-02 22:26                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-03  2:49                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 12:19                           ` Hubertus Franke
2004-10-03  3:25                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03  2:26                       ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-03 14:11                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-02 17:47                   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-05 20:47 ` [Lse-tech] [PATCH] new bitmap list format (for cpusets) Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-05 21:45   ` Paul Jackson
     [not found]     ` <Pine.A41.4.53.0408060930100.20680@isabelle.frec.bull.fr>
2004-08-06 10:14       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-09  8:01   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-09 14:49     ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-08-10 23:43       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 13:11 ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-11 16:17   ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-11 18:05     ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-11 20:40       ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12  9:48         ` Dinakar Guniguntala
2004-08-12 10:11           ` Paul Jackson
2004-08-12 12:34             ` Dinakar Guniguntala
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-19  1:23 Paul Jackson
2004-08-19  1:24 ` [PATCH] cpusets - big numa cpu and memory placement Paul Jackson

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