From: Matthew Dobson <colpatch@us.ibm.com>
To: Mark Goodwin <markgw@sgi.com>
Cc: Erich Focht <efocht@hpce.nec.com>, Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>,
Takayoshi Kochi <t-kochi@bq.jp.nec.com>,
linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Externalize SLIT table
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 23:58:44 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1100044724.3980.23.camel@arrakis> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0411100722070.14545@woolami.melbourne.sgi.com>
On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 12:34, Mark Goodwin wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Matthew Dobson wrote:
> > ...
> > I don't think we should export the *exact same* node distance information
> > through the CPUs, though.
>
> We should still export cpu distances though because the distance between
> cpus on the same node may not be equal. e.g. consider a node with multiple
> cpu sockets, each socket with a hyperthreaded (or dual core) cpu.
Well, I'm not sure that just because a CPU has two hyperthread units in
the same core that those HT units have a different distance or latency
to memory...? The fact that it is a HT unit and not a physical core has
implications to the scheduler, but I thought that the 2 siblings looked
identical to userspace, no? If 2 CPUs in the same node are on the same
bus, then in all likelihood they have the same "distance".
> Once again however, it depends on the definition of distance. For nodes,
> we've established it's the ACPI SLIT (relative distance to memory). For
> cpus, should it be distance to memory? Distance to cache? Registers? Or
> what?
>
> -- Mark
That's the real issue. We need to agree upon a meaningful definition of
CPU-to-CPU "distance". As Jesse mentioned in a follow-up, we can all
agree on what Node-to-Node "distance" means, but there doesn't appear to
be much consensus on what CPU "distance" means.
-Matt
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From: Matthew Dobson <colpatch@us.ibm.com>
To: Mark Goodwin <markgw@sgi.com>
Cc: Erich Focht <efocht@hpce.nec.com>, Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>,
Takayoshi Kochi <t-kochi@bq.jp.nec.com>,
linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Externalize SLIT table
Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:58:44 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1100044724.3980.23.camel@arrakis> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0411100722070.14545@woolami.melbourne.sgi.com>
On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 12:34, Mark Goodwin wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Matthew Dobson wrote:
> > ...
> > I don't think we should export the *exact same* node distance information
> > through the CPUs, though.
>
> We should still export cpu distances though because the distance between
> cpus on the same node may not be equal. e.g. consider a node with multiple
> cpu sockets, each socket with a hyperthreaded (or dual core) cpu.
Well, I'm not sure that just because a CPU has two hyperthread units in
the same core that those HT units have a different distance or latency
to memory...? The fact that it is a HT unit and not a physical core has
implications to the scheduler, but I thought that the 2 siblings looked
identical to userspace, no? If 2 CPUs in the same node are on the same
bus, then in all likelihood they have the same "distance".
> Once again however, it depends on the definition of distance. For nodes,
> we've established it's the ACPI SLIT (relative distance to memory). For
> cpus, should it be distance to memory? Distance to cache? Registers? Or
> what?
>
> -- Mark
That's the real issue. We need to agree upon a meaningful definition of
CPU-to-CPU "distance". As Jesse mentioned in a follow-up, we can all
agree on what Node-to-Node "distance" means, but there doesn't appear to
be much consensus on what CPU "distance" means.
-Matt
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-11-09 23:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-11-03 20:56 Externalize SLIT table Jack Steiner
2004-11-04 1:59 ` Takayoshi Kochi
2004-11-04 1:59 ` Takayoshi Kochi
2004-11-04 4:07 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-04 4:07 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-04 4:57 ` Takayoshi Kochi
2004-11-04 4:57 ` Takayoshi Kochi
2004-11-04 6:37 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-04 6:37 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-05 16:08 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-05 16:08 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-05 16:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-05 16:26 ` Andreas Schwab
2004-11-05 16:44 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-05 16:44 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-06 11:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-06 11:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-06 12:48 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-06 12:48 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-06 13:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-06 13:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-05 17:13 ` Erich Focht
2004-11-05 17:13 ` Erich Focht
2004-11-05 19:13 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-05 19:13 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-09 19:23 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-09 19:23 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-04 14:13 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-04 14:13 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-04 14:29 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-04 14:29 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-04 15:31 ` Erich Focht
2004-11-04 15:31 ` Erich Focht
2004-11-04 17:04 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-04 17:04 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-04 19:36 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-04 19:36 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-09 19:45 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-09 19:45 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-09 19:43 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-09 19:43 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-09 20:34 ` Mark Goodwin
2004-11-09 20:34 ` Mark Goodwin
2004-11-09 22:00 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-09 22:00 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-09 23:58 ` Matthew Dobson [this message]
2004-11-09 23:58 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-10 5:05 ` Mark Goodwin
2004-11-10 5:05 ` Mark Goodwin
2004-11-10 18:45 ` Erich Focht
2004-11-10 18:45 ` Erich Focht
2004-11-10 22:09 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-10 22:09 ` Matthew Dobson
2004-11-18 16:39 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-18 16:39 ` Jack Steiner
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[not found] ` <20041104.105908.18574694.t-kochi@bq.jp.nec.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <20041104040713.GC21211@wotan.suse.de.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <20041104.135721.08317994.t-kochi@bq.jp.nec.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
[not found] ` <20041105160808.GA26719@sgi.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2004-11-06 6:30 ` Andi Kleen
2004-11-23 17:32 ` Jack Steiner
2004-11-23 19:06 ` Andi Kleen
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