usage of WIN_SMART

usage of WIN_SMART

[Jagadeesh Bhaskar P]

Can someone help me with an explanation for the usage of WIN_SMART
directive declared in hdreg.h in ioctl() function?

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With regards,

Jagadeesh Bhaskar P

Re: usage of WIN_SMART

[Jan-Benedict Glaw]

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On Wed, 2004-11-24 16:19:57 +0530, Jagadeesh Bhaskar P <jbhaskar@hclinsys.com>
wrote in message <1101293397.3787.34.camel@myLinux>:
> Can someone help me with an explanation for the usage of WIN_SMART
> directive declared in hdreg.h in ioctl() function?

Just look at some users of WIN_SMART. Found these with Google:

Function ataReadSmartValues() in
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/smartmontools/sm5/atacmds.c?rev=1.2

Function smart_read_values() in
http://www.linux-ide.org/smart/ide-smart.c

There are other examples, too.  Of course, you can only use code out of
these if your software is going to be available under GNU GPL ...

MfG, JBG

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Re: usage of WIN_SMART

[Jagadeesh Bhaskar P]

I meant how to use WIN_SMART in the code? Not its uses or advantages!!

Can someone help me with that??

On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 17:40, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-11-24 16:19:57 +0530, Jagadeesh Bhaskar P <jbhaskar@hclinsys.com>
> wrote in message <1101293397.3787.34.camel@myLinux>:
> > Can someone help me with an explanation for the usage of WIN_SMART
> > directive declared in hdreg.h in ioctl() function?
> 
> Just look at some users of WIN_SMART. Found these with Google:
> 
> Function ataReadSmartValues() in
> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/smartmontools/sm5/atacmds.c?rev=1.2
> 
> Function smart_read_values() in
> http://www.linux-ide.org/smart/ide-smart.c
> 
> There are other examples, too.  Of course, you can only use code out of
> these if your software is going to be available under GNU GPL ...
> 
> MfG, JBG
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Jagadeesh Bhaskar P <jbhaskar@hclinsys.com>

Re: usage of WIN_SMART

[Glynn Clements]

Jagadeesh Bhaskar P wrote:

> I meant how to use WIN_SMART in the code? Not its uses or advantages!!
> 
> Can someone help me with that??

Look at the source code of an existing program which uses it, such as
those to which Jan-Benedict referred.

Also, within a few clicks of the linux-ide.org URL, I found:

	http://www.linux-ide.org/smart/smartmontools-5.0/

which says:

  == REFERENCES ==
  If you need help in understanding the output of smartctl, a good place
  to start is to read Section 8.41 of the AT Attachment with Packet
  Interface-5 (ATA/ATAPI-5) specification.  This documents the
  S.M.A.R.T. functionality which the smartmontools utilities provide
  access to.  You can find Revision 1 of this document at:
  http://www.t13.org/project/d1321r1c.pdf
  
  Future versions of the specifications (ATA/ATAPI-6 and ATA/ATAPI-7)
  can be obtained from:
  http://www.t13.org/#FTP_site
  Later revisions (2, 3) of the ATA/ATAPI-5 specification are also
  available there.
  
  The functioning of S.M.A.R.T. is also described by the SFF-8035i
  revision 2 specification.  This is a publication of the Small Form
  Factors Committee, and can be obtained from SFF Committee, 14426 Black
  Walnut Ct., Saratoga, CA 95070, USA.  
  SFF FaxAccess: (408) 741-1600
  Ph: (408) 867-6630
  Fax: (408) 867-2115
  E-Mail: 250-1752@mcimail.com.

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Glynn Clements <glynn@gclements.plus.com>

usage of WIN_SMART

[Jagadeesh Bhaskar P]

I have seen SMART system's code containing WIN_SMART directive in ioctl
sprinkled through out the code? What does that mean? What is its proper
usage? Is there a proper documentation for it?

Thanks in advance for all replies

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With regards,

Jagadeesh Bhaskar P

Re: usage of WIN_SMART

[Edward Falk]

> I have seen SMART system's code containing WIN_SMART directive in ioctl
> sprinkled through out the code? What does that mean? What is its proper
> usage? Is there a proper documentation for it?
> 
> Thanks in advance for all replies

Hi Jagadeesh; I'm not entirely sure what your question is, so I'll see 
if I can provide a vague enough answer to cover it :)

Executive summary:  The SMART data is used to obtain information about 
the state of the drive hardware, for the purpose of predicting or 
diagnosing failures.  What little documentation there is exists in the 
ATA/ATAPI specification, but most of the data is vendor-specific and 
undocumented.  The easiest way to access SMART data is by cat'ing the 
appropriate file in /proc/ide/hdX




Long answer:

Many (all?) modern disk drives provide what is known as "SMART" 
(Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology) data.  This 
includes information about the performance of the drive, including how 
many errors the drive has corrected, what the drive temperature has 
been, and so on.  The WIN_SMART command has a number of sub-commands 
(specified through the features register), which are described in the 
ATA spec under "Command descriptions".

AFAIK, there are no ioctls directly corresponding to the SMART commands, 
but the SMART commands can be accessed via the HDIO_DRIVE_TASKFILE 
ioctl.  (NOTE:  do not attempt this without a copy of the ATA spec in 
front of you.)

An even easier way to obtain the SMART data is to cat 
/proc/ide/hdX/smart_values or /proc/ide/hdX/smart_thresholds.

(At Google, we've added "smart_logs" and "smart_status" entries to 
/proc.  We'll be submitting those patches Real Soon Now.)

The interesting SMART subcommands are:

SMART READ DATA

   Read and return the 512-byte SMART data structure.
   The ATA spec describes this structure, but most of the
   interesting fields are vendor-specific.  Several of the
   vendors have adopted a number of common data fields,
   such as spinup time, reallocation count, seek error
   rate, and so on.  In general though, the information is
   really private to the vendor, intended for the vendor
   to diagnose the drive.

SMART READ LOG

   Returns one of a number of available logs, including log
   directory, summary error log, comprehensive error log,
   and so on, including a few vendor-specific logs.

SMART WRITE LOG

   Write data to a log.

SMART RETURN STATUS

   Returns a simple yes/no status indicating whether or
   not any of the device's thresholds have been exceeded.



I hope this helps answer your questions.

	-ed falk

Re: usage of WIN_SMART

[Jagadeesh Bhaskar P]

Dear Edward,
	I am grateful for such a descriptive reply. I was exploring through the
ide-disk driver interface, which provides the SMART readings through the
ioctl, using WIN_SMART. At the end its calling an inb and an outb to the
regs, like u said, feature regs and all. Is it possible to do it
directly with an inb and outb from a C program, avoiding the
complexities involved in the WIN_SMART command.

And, can u help me out with the syntax of WIN_SMART class of ioctl?
I know that a buffer like

	buffer = {WIN_SMART, 0, SMART_READ_VALUES, 1};
and it is passed to the ioctl.

I have seen the significance of 1st element(WIN_SMART) and 3rd element
(SMART_READ_VALUES) in the ide-disk module's code.

What does the second argument and the fourth argument signify?


Can u help me with this also, coz I've been digging for this a long
time, and haven't been that successfull!!




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Thanks & Regards,

Jagadeesh Bhaskar P
R&D Engineer
HCL Infosystems Ltd
Pondicherry
INDIA

Re: usage of WIN_SMART

[Ross Biro]

As Ed said, you need the ATA spec to make sense of all that. 
Fortunately, a draft copy is available online at t13.org.  In
particular at http://www.t13.org/#Project_drafts  The docs will
explain the register settings, but not the meanings of the output.

You can avoid the driver is you wish, but it's a really bad idea to do
so since you will change the state of the drive when the driver is not
expecting it.  To safely access the drive from user space, you would
have to make sure the driver is disabled, disable interrupts, and then
poll the controller directly.  The exact method would of course be
controller specific.  You need to look at the ioperm man page and
/dev/port.

Finally, if all you want to do is access the SMART data, you should
look at smartsuite http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartsuite/  or
something similiar.  It already includes much of the vendor specific
information and knows how to get along with the kernel.

    Ross


On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:40:40 +0530, Jagadeesh Bhaskar P
<jbhaskar@hclinsys.com> wrote:
> Dear Edward,
>         I am grateful for such a descriptive reply. I was exploring through the
> ide-disk driver interface, which provides the SMART readings through the
> ioctl, using WIN_SMART. At the end its calling an inb and an outb to the
> regs, like u said, feature regs and all. Is it possible to do it
> directly with an inb and outb from a C program, avoiding the
> complexities involved in the WIN_SMART command.
> 
> And, can u help me out with the syntax of WIN_SMART class of ioctl?
> I know that a buffer like
> 
>         buffer = {WIN_SMART, 0, SMART_READ_VALUES, 1};
> and it is passed to the ioctl.
> 
> I have seen the significance of 1st element(WIN_SMART) and 3rd element
> (SMART_READ_VALUES) in the ide-disk module's code.
> 
> What does the second argument and the fourth argument signify?
> 
> Can u help me with this also, coz I've been digging for this a long
> time, and haven't been that successfull!!
> 
> --
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> Jagadeesh Bhaskar P
> R&D Engineer
> HCL Infosystems Ltd
> Pondicherry
> INDIA
> 
> 
> 
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