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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: andrew.warfield@cl.cam.ac.uk
Cc: Michael Hohnbaum <hohnbaum@us.ibm.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xenctld - a control channel multiplexing daemon
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:31:42 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1106767902.25573.7.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eacc82a405012606336357ab08@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 08:33, Andrew Warfield wrote:
> Having the store worked in properly should 1. make rebooting dom0 with
> active VMs unaffected more possible, 2. make adding new functionality
> (e.g. new split device types) more straightforward, and 3. make
> writing tools that need state information, and 4. scaling control up
> to a cluster all a lot more tractable.

It seems like there's two distinct problems.

1) Managing domain specific state for running domains.

This can be done easily enough since a domid is a unique identifier. 
Any associative database would work just fine.

2) Managing domain specific state for non-running domains.

Since non-running domains have to have some sort of disk representation
(either a config file of some sort or a snapshot image) this also is
pretty easy.


I'm not convinced there's a great way to merge the two though.   It gets
really hairy once you start doing things like cloning or migration. 
There's a lot of subtle things like reassigning MAC addresses that gets
nasty.

In reality, what's the different between a domain that's suspended to
disk and a clone domain that just hasn't been started yet.

Does the current persistent store architecture attempt to solve this
problem?  Does it attempt to solve both problems?

I'd like to see a persistent store that just addressed problem #1.  I
think once you get into trying to solve #2, you'll create a solution
that won't work for everyone.

I'd like to see Xen with a tool that can create domains from a
configuration file but at the same time, it would be nice if the
persistent store worked well with domain's that are created by hand.

Regards,

-- 
Anthony Liguori
Linux Technology Center (LTC) - IBM Austin
E-mail: aliguori@us.ibm.com
Phone: (512) 838-1208




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  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-26 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-21 15:55 [PATCH] xenctld - a control channel multiplexing daemon Anthony Liguori
2005-01-21 16:39 ` Andrew Warfield
2005-01-21 17:19   ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-01-21 19:59     ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-21 20:44       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-01-21 21:14         ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-21 20:54           ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-01-21 21:28             ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-21 21:37             ` Jared Rhine
2005-01-24 15:33               ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-01-24 16:35                 ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-24 16:55                   ` Jared Rhine
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0501240957520.12186@bluesteel.lanl.gov>
2005-01-24 17:52                       ` Jared Rhine
2005-01-24 19:11                         ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-24 19:07                     ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-24 20:44                       ` B.G. Bruce
2005-01-26  2:31                       ` Jacob Gorm Hansen
2005-01-26  5:43                         ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-26  6:59                           ` Jacob Gorm Hansen
2005-01-21 19:56   ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-26  0:21   ` Michael Hohnbaum
2005-01-26 14:33     ` Andrew Warfield
2005-01-26 19:31       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2005-01-26 19:11         ` Andrew Warfield
2005-01-26 20:01           ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-26 21:21             ` Daniel Stekloff
2005-01-26 22:28               ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-26 21:57                 ` Daniel Stekloff
2005-01-26 21:49             ` Michael Hohnbaum
2005-01-26 22:57               ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-26 23:55                 ` Michael Hohnbaum
2005-01-26 23:59                 ` Daniel Stekloff
2005-01-27  7:05                   ` Tobias Hunger
2005-01-27 14:19                   ` Anthony Liguori
2005-01-27 18:05                     ` Daniel Stekloff
2005-01-28  9:17                       ` Steven Hand
2005-01-28 16:56                         ` Daniel Stekloff
2005-01-27  0:13                 ` Daniel Stekloff
2005-01-27  3:48                 ` Daniel Stekloff
2005-01-26 23:36       ` Daniel Stekloff

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