From: johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru (Evgeniy Polyakov)
To: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Cc: dtor_core@ameritech.net, sensors@stimpy.netroedge.com,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: [RFC/PATCH 0/22] W1: sysfs, lifetime and other fixes
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:25:54 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1114499826.8527.97.camel@uganda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050426070003.GE5889@suse.de>
On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 00:00 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 10:43:36AM +0400, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 15:22 -0500, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > > On 4/25/05, Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru> wrote:
> > > > While thinking about locking schema
> > > > with respect to sysfs files I recalled,
> > > > why I implemented such a logic -
> > > > now one can _always_ remove _any_ module
> > > > [corresponding object is removed from accessible
> > > > pathes and waits untill all exsting users are gone],
> > > > which is very good - I really like it in networking model,
> > > > while with whole device driver model
> > > > if we will read device's file very quickly
> > > > in several threads we may end up not unloading it at all.
> > >
> > > I am sorrry, that is complete bull*. sysfs also allows removing
> > > modules at an arbitrary time (and usually without annoying "waiting
> > > for refcount" at that)... You just seem to not understand how driver
> > > code works, thus the need of inventing your own schema.
> >
> > Ok, let's try again - now with explanation,
> > since it looks like you did not even try to understand what I said.
> > If you will remove objects from ->remove() callback
> > you may end up with rmmod being stuck.
>
> Yes, and that is acceptable. networking implemented their own locking
> method to allow unloading of their drivers in such a manner. No other
> subsystem is going to do that kind of implementation, so Dmitry is
> correct here.
w1 does it too :)
It's locking was lurked in network code.
And it _is_ design note to be able to remove objects in any time.
Ok, I can not say, that it is exactly like networking,
since there is waiting in rmmod path, it is very similar to virtual
devices
like vlan.
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h
--
Evgeniy Polyakov
Crash is better than data corruption -- Arthur Grabowski
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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Cc: dtor_core@ameritech.net, sensors@stimpy.netroedge.com,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 0/22] W1: sysfs, lifetime and other fixes
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 11:17:06 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1114499826.8527.97.camel@uganda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050426070003.GE5889@suse.de>
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On Tue, 2005-04-26 at 00:00 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 10:43:36AM +0400, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > On Mon, 2005-04-25 at 15:22 -0500, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > > On 4/25/05, Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru> wrote:
> > > > While thinking about locking schema
> > > > with respect to sysfs files I recalled,
> > > > why I implemented such a logic -
> > > > now one can _always_ remove _any_ module
> > > > [corresponding object is removed from accessible
> > > > pathes and waits untill all exsting users are gone],
> > > > which is very good - I really like it in networking model,
> > > > while with whole device driver model
> > > > if we will read device's file very quickly
> > > > in several threads we may end up not unloading it at all.
> > >
> > > I am sorrry, that is complete bull*. sysfs also allows removing
> > > modules at an arbitrary time (and usually without annoying "waiting
> > > for refcount" at that)... You just seem to not understand how driver
> > > code works, thus the need of inventing your own schema.
> >
> > Ok, let's try again - now with explanation,
> > since it looks like you did not even try to understand what I said.
> > If you will remove objects from ->remove() callback
> > you may end up with rmmod being stuck.
>
> Yes, and that is acceptable. networking implemented their own locking
> method to allow unloading of their drivers in such a manner. No other
> subsystem is going to do that kind of implementation, so Dmitry is
> correct here.
w1 does it too :)
It's locking was lurked in network code.
And it _is_ design note to be able to remove objects in any time.
Ok, I can not say, that it is exactly like networking,
since there is waiting in rmmod path, it is very similar to virtual
devices
like vlan.
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h
--
Evgeniy Polyakov
Crash is better than data corruption -- Arthur Grabowski
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Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-04-21 7:07 [RFC/PATCH 0/22] W1: sysfs, lifetime and other fixes Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:08 ` [RFC/PATCH 1/22] W1: whitespace fixes Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:08 ` [RFC/PATCH 2/22] W1: formatting fixes Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:09 ` [RFC/PATCH 3/22] W1: use attribute group for master's attributes Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:10 ` [RFC/PATCH 4/22] W1: use attribute group for slave's attributes Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:11 ` [RFC/PATCH 5/22] W1: list handling cleanup Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:13 ` [RFC/PATCH 6/22] W1: drop owner field from master and slave structures Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 6/22] W1: drop owner field from master and slave Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:13 ` [RFC/PATCH 7/22] W1: bus operations cleanup Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:15 ` [RFC/PATCH 8/22] W1: merge master code into one file Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:16 ` [RFC/PATCH 9/22] W1: drop custom hotplug over netlink notification Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:17 ` [RFC/PATCH 10/22] W1: drop main control thread Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:18 ` [RFC/PATCH 11/22] W1: move w1_search to the rest of IO code Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:19 ` [RFC/PATCH 12/22] W1: drop unneeded master attributes Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:20 ` [RFC/PATCH 13/22] W1: cleanup master attributes handling Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:21 ` [RFC/PATCH 14/22] W1: rename timeout to scan_interval Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:22 ` [RFC/PATCH 15/22] W1: add slave_ttl master attribute Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:23 ` [RFC/PATCH 16/22] W1: cleanup masters refcounting & more Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:23 ` [RFC/PATCH 17/22] W1: cleanup slave " Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 18/22] W1: cleanup family implementation Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:26 ` [RFC/PATCH 19/22] W1: convert families to be proper sysfs rivers Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:27 ` [RFC/PATCH 20/22] W1: add w1_device_id/MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE for automatic driver loading Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 20/22] W1: add w1_device_id/MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE for Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:36 ` [RFC/PATCH 21/22] W1: implement standard hotplug handler Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 7:38 ` [RFC/PATCH 22/22] W1: expose module parameters in sysfs Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-21 13:18 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/22] W1: sysfs, lifetime and other fixes Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-21 14:31 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-25 9:08 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-25 16:32 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-25 19:26 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-25 21:32 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-26 7:19 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-25 20:15 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-25 20:22 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-26 6:43 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-26 6:50 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-26 7:06 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-26 7:16 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-26 7:35 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-26 7:00 ` Greg KH
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Greg KH
2005-04-26 7:17 ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-26 6:58 ` Greg KH
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Greg KH
2005-04-21 16:09 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-25 9:11 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-04-25 16:36 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-04-25 19:32 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-05-19 6:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
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