NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Reuti]

Hi all,

I set up a NFS server using kernel NFS in kernel 2.6.11.4-21.9 from
SuSE. I defined three directories to be exported using netgroups and all
is working fine, as they can be mounted as intended by all the nodes in
the cluster.

Up to now I was used to have the NFS feature, that a "hard" mount on the
nodes will survive a reboot of the NFS server. This is now no longer the
case. If I reboot the server, all the nodes get a stale NFS handle. I
can achieve the same effect by simple stopping and starting the nfsd -
same result.

As we use a RAID card for the disks in the server, I got the idea of
changed major-minor numbers and also tried to give in the "exports"
file a chosen "fsid=" for each of the three exports. (Although
starting/stopping the nfsd won't change the major-minor numbers I
think.) No change.

Now the funny part: login to a node. Choose any of the three imported
directories. Make an "umount" and "mount" on this dir - and also the
other two dirs reappear and are accessible again.

Does anyone has an explanation and/or solution for this setup, to get
the surviving feature back?

CU - Reuti

(BTW: all partitions are ext2 on Linux x86 machines, mounted with NFSv3)



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Re: NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Reuti]

Hi again,

Reuti wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I set up a NFS server using kernel NFS in kernel 2.6.11.4-21.9 from
> SuSE. I defined three directories to be exported using netgroups and all
> is working fine, as they can be mounted as intended by all the nodes in
> the cluster.
> 
> Up to now I was used to have the NFS feature, that a "hard" mount on the
> nodes will survive a reboot of the NFS server. This is now no longer the
> case. If I reboot the server, all the nodes get a stale NFS handle. I
> can achieve the same effect by simple stopping and starting the nfsd -
> same result.
> 
> As we use a RAID card for the disks in the server, I got the idea of
> changed major-minor numbers and also tried to give in the "exports"
> file a chosen "fsid=" for each of the three exports. (Although
> starting/stopping the nfsd won't change the major-minor numbers I
> think.) No change.
> 
> Now the funny part: login to a node. Choose any of the three imported
> directories. Make an "umount" and "mount" on this dir - and also the
> other two dirs reappear and are accessible again.
> 
> Does anyone has an explanation and/or solution for this setup, to get
> the surviving feature back?
> 
> CU - Reuti
> 
> (BTW: all partitions are ext2 on Linux x86 machines, mounted with NFSv3)

as a followup to my own posting:

I did some more testing: downloaded the latest stable kernel (2.6.13.2) 
and compiled for server and client, no success.

Then I installed a conventional IDE harddisk - same result. So it's not 
AACRAID to blame for.

Then I tried with another server, but a 32 bit machine. And with this it 
was working.

So my conclusion:

Server 64 bit and client 32 bit will not survive a stop/start of the NFS 
server. But if you unmount/mount one of the imported dirs, all will 
reappear as already stated.

Is this a known issue, and/or any solution to this?

Tomorrow I'll try to get another 64 bit machine as client, to check 
whether this would behave the same with the 64 bit server.

TIA - Reuti



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Re: NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Reuti]

Okay, here the result:

Reuti wrote:
> Hi again,
> 
> Reuti wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I set up a NFS server using kernel NFS in kernel 2.6.11.4-21.9 from
>> SuSE. I defined three directories to be exported using netgroups and all
>> is working fine, as they can be mounted as intended by all the nodes in
>> the cluster.
>>
>> Up to now I was used to have the NFS feature, that a "hard" mount on the
>> nodes will survive a reboot of the NFS server. This is now no longer the
>> case. If I reboot the server, all the nodes get a stale NFS handle. I
>> can achieve the same effect by simple stopping and starting the nfsd -
>> same result.
>>
>> As we use a RAID card for the disks in the server, I got the idea of
>> changed major-minor numbers and also tried to give in the "exports"
>> file a chosen "fsid=" for each of the three exports. (Although
>> starting/stopping the nfsd won't change the major-minor numbers I
>> think.) No change.
>>
>> Now the funny part: login to a node. Choose any of the three imported
>> directories. Make an "umount" and "mount" on this dir - and also the
>> other two dirs reappear and are accessible again.
>>
>> Does anyone has an explanation and/or solution for this setup, to get
>> the surviving feature back?
>>
>> CU - Reuti
>>
>> (BTW: all partitions are ext2 on Linux x86 machines, mounted with NFSv3)
> 
> 
> as a followup to my own posting:
> 
> I did some more testing: downloaded the latest stable kernel (2.6.13.2) 
> and compiled for server and client, no success.
> 
> Then I installed a conventional IDE harddisk - same result. So it's not 
> AACRAID to blame for.
> 
> Then I tried with another server, but a 32 bit machine. And with this it 
> was working.
> 
> So my conclusion:
> 
> Server 64 bit and client 32 bit will not survive a stop/start of the NFS 
> server. But if you unmount/mount one of the imported dirs, all will 
> reappear as already stated.
> 
> Is this a known issue, and/or any solution to this?
> 
> Tomorrow I'll try to get another 64 bit machine as client, to check 
> whether this would behave the same with the 64 bit server.

64 bit server and 64 bit client has the same issue of a stale NFS handle 
after stop/start of the nfs daemon. To me it looks like a bug, as it was 
working within a pure 32 bit setup. Where exactly shall I report this as 
a bug? - Reuti



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Re: [CIRCUMVENTED] NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Reuti]

Finally I could track down the odd behavior (this time in top posting):

If you have this combination:

+ Linux kernel 2.6 nfsd on server
+ 64 bit i386, i.e. x86_64 server
+ using netgroups in /etc/exports
+ operate mountd/exportfs in new mode

you will face the problem of stale NFS handle after a stop/start of of 
the NFS service. As we want to use 64 bit of course, and enjoy netgroups 
for easier administration, I got a working setup by *not* mounting 
/proc/fs/nfsd and forcing this way mountd/exportfs into legacy mode also 
on a 2.6 kernel.

Cheers - Reuti


Reuti wrote:
> Okay, here the result:
> 
> Reuti wrote:
> 
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Reuti wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I set up a NFS server using kernel NFS in kernel 2.6.11.4-21.9 from
>>> SuSE. I defined three directories to be exported using netgroups and all
>>> is working fine, as they can be mounted as intended by all the nodes in
>>> the cluster.
>>>
>>> Up to now I was used to have the NFS feature, that a "hard" mount on the
>>> nodes will survive a reboot of the NFS server. This is now no longer the
>>> case. If I reboot the server, all the nodes get a stale NFS handle. I
>>> can achieve the same effect by simple stopping and starting the nfsd -
>>> same result.
>>>
>>> As we use a RAID card for the disks in the server, I got the idea of
>>> changed major-minor numbers and also tried to give in the "exports"
>>> file a chosen "fsid=" for each of the three exports. (Although
>>> starting/stopping the nfsd won't change the major-minor numbers I
>>> think.) No change.
>>>
>>> Now the funny part: login to a node. Choose any of the three imported
>>> directories. Make an "umount" and "mount" on this dir - and also the
>>> other two dirs reappear and are accessible again.
>>>
>>> Does anyone has an explanation and/or solution for this setup, to get
>>> the surviving feature back?
>>>
>>> CU - Reuti
>>>
>>> (BTW: all partitions are ext2 on Linux x86 machines, mounted with NFSv3)
>>
>>
>>
>> as a followup to my own posting:
>>
>> I did some more testing: downloaded the latest stable kernel 
>> (2.6.13.2) and compiled for server and client, no success.
>>
>> Then I installed a conventional IDE harddisk - same result. So it's 
>> not AACRAID to blame for.
>>
>> Then I tried with another server, but a 32 bit machine. And with this 
>> it was working.
>>
>> So my conclusion:
>>
>> Server 64 bit and client 32 bit will not survive a stop/start of the 
>> NFS server. But if you unmount/mount one of the imported dirs, all 
>> will reappear as already stated.
>>
>> Is this a known issue, and/or any solution to this?
>>
>> Tomorrow I'll try to get another 64 bit machine as client, to check 
>> whether this would behave the same with the 64 bit server.
> 
> 
> 64 bit server and 64 bit client has the same issue of a stale NFS handle 
> after stop/start of the nfs daemon. To me it looks like a bug, as it was 
> working within a pure 32 bit setup. Where exactly shall I report this as 
> a bug? - Reuti
> 



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Re: [CIRCUMVENTED] NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Vincent Roqueta]

Le jeudi 22 Septembre 2005 16:52, Reuti a =E9crit=A0:
> Finally I could track down the odd behavior (this time in top posting):
>
> If you have this combination:
>
> + Linux kernel 2.6 nfsd on server
> + 64 bit i386, i.e. x86_64 server
> + using netgroups in /etc/exports
> + operate mountd/exportfs in new mode
>
> you will face the problem of stale NFS handle after a stop/start of of
> the NFS service. As we want to use 64 bit of course, and enjoy netgroups
> for easier administration, I got a working setup by *not* mounting
> /proc/fs/nfsd and forcing this way mountd/exportfs into legacy mode also
> on a 2.6 kernel.
>
> Cheers - Reuti


There are several problems using x86_64 linux NFS (v4) machines as server, =
and=20
it seems to have several problems on 64 bits architectures in general (at=20
least with x86_64 and ppc64. Surely other architectures)
=20
=46or now there are this issue yet known (linux 2.6.13+CITI, Linux 2.6.14-r=
c*=20
+CITI)
=2D> Socket error -11 closing a big file (server : x86_64, clients: x86, pp=
c64)
=2D> wrong lock behaviours  (Client PPC64, servers: ppc64, x86)
=2D>  Input/output error closing a big file (server: ppc64, client x86_64)
=2D> Oops (Client x86_64, server x86_64) - Linux 2.6.13+CITI

However, this issues concern NFSv4. I am going to try to reproduce your=20
problem with NFSv3 and NFSv4.


Vincent


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Re: [CIRCUMVENTED] NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Chris Penney]

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On 9/22/05, Vincent Roqueta <vincent.roqueta@ext.bull.net> wrote:
>
> There are several problems using x86_64 linux NFS (v4) machines as server,
> and
> it seems to have several problems on 64 bits architectures in general (at
> least with x86_64 and ppc64. Surely other architectures)
>
> For now there are this issue yet known (linux 2.6.13+CITI, Linux
> 2.6.14-rc*
> +CITI)
> -> Socket error -11 closing a big file (server : x86_64, clients: x86,
> ppc64)
> -> wrong lock behaviours (Client PPC64, servers: ppc64, x86)
> -> Input/output error closing a big file (server: ppc64, client x86_64)
> -> Oops (Client x86_64, server x86_64) - Linux 2.6.13+CITI
>
> However, this issues concern NFSv4. I am going to try to reproduce your
> problem with NFSv3 and NFSv4.
>
>
> Vincent

 I've not heard anything negative about x86_64 systems as NFS servers, but
this note is somewhat concerning to me as I've got some new AMD Opteron
hardware coming to replace some Pentium 4 NFS servers. We only use NFS v3
(mainly tcp). Should I be concerned? Should I use i386 mode instead of
x86_64?
  Chris

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Re: [CIRCUMVENTED] NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Chris Penney]

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On 9/22/05, Vincent Roqueta <vincent.roqueta@ext.bull.net> wrote:
>
> There are several problems using x86_64 linux NFS (v4) machines as server,
> and
> it seems to have several problems on 64 bits architectures in general (at
> least with x86_64 and ppc64. Surely other architectures)
>
> For now there are this issue yet known (linux 2.6.13+CITI, Linux
> 2.6.14-rc*
> +CITI)
> -> Socket error -11 closing a big file (server : x86_64, clients: x86,
> ppc64)
> -> wrong lock behaviours (Client PPC64, servers: ppc64, x86)
> -> Input/output error closing a big file (server: ppc64, client x86_64)
> -> Oops (Client x86_64, server x86_64) - Linux 2.6.13+CITI
>
> However, this issues concern NFSv4. I am going to try to reproduce your
> problem with NFSv3 and NFSv4.
>
I've not heard anything negative about x86_64 systems as NFS servers, but
this note is somewhat concerning to me as I've got some new AMD Opteron
hardware coming to replace some Pentium 4 NFS servers. We only use NFS v3
(mainly tcp). Should I be concerned? Should I use i386 mode instead of
x86_64?
  Chris

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Re: [CIRCUMVENTED] NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Reuti]

Here one mail, which didn't got to the list by pressing the wrong=20
button. As I just found another fact, first this mail to the list...


Hi Vincent,

one additonal observation:

I looked at /var/lib/nfs/rmtab and was confused by the entries. Seems
under the new mode they weren't properly maintained, and also after an
unmount some entries stayed there (not all). And there was an additonal
line just for the netgroup for each client.

In the legacy mode there is just one entry for each mount, and the
machines from netgroups appear there with their nodename. After an
unmount the lines are proper removed.

I'm not sure, whether this is important (is rmtab still used in the new
mode?) or at least a hint for the source of this behavior - just to let
you know.

Best Greetings - Reuti

PS: Yes, in the summary I missed it: it was all under NFSv3.


Vincent Roqueta wrote:
> Le jeudi 22 Septembre 2005 16:52, Reuti a =E9crit :
>=20
>>Finally I could track down the odd behavior (this time in top posting):
>>
>>If you have this combination:
>>
>>+ Linux kernel 2.6 nfsd on server
>>+ 64 bit i386, i.e. x86_64 server
>>+ using netgroups in /etc/exports
>>+ operate mountd/exportfs in new mode
>>
>>you will face the problem of stale NFS handle after a stop/start of of
>>the NFS service. As we want to use 64 bit of course, and enjoy netgroup=
s
>>for easier administration, I got a working setup by *not* mounting
>>/proc/fs/nfsd and forcing this way mountd/exportfs into legacy mode als=
o
>>on a 2.6 kernel.
>>
>>Cheers - Reuti
>=20
>=20
>=20
> There are several problems using x86_64 linux NFS (v4) machines as serv=
er, and=20
> it seems to have several problems on 64 bits architectures in general (=
at=20
> least with x86_64 and ppc64. Surely other architectures)
> =20
> For now there are this issue yet known (linux 2.6.13+CITI, Linux 2.6.14=
-rc*=20
> +CITI)
> -> Socket error -11 closing a big file (server : x86_64, clients: x86, =
ppc64)
> -> wrong lock behaviours  (Client PPC64, servers: ppc64, x86)
> ->  Input/output error closing a big file (server: ppc64, client x86_64=
)
> -> Oops (Client x86_64, server x86_64) - Linux 2.6.13+CITI
>=20
> However, this issues concern NFSv4. I am going to try to reproduce your=
=20
> problem with NFSv3 and NFSv4.
>=20
>=20
> Vincent
>=20
>=20
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Re: [CIRCUMVENTED] NFS client got stale NFS handle after server reboot

[Reuti]

...and then this one.

Hi Vincent,

I had a short look into the source of nfs-utils, but I realized, that=20
most is in the kernel. But I saw a line checking for the DNS names and=20
sometimes skipping it (if all mount points are unexported).

And this was another thing: we don't have DNS in the cluster, but use=20
only the /etc/hosts file and distribute it to the nodes with NIS. And in=20
the rmtab file, I saw some entries with the nodename, and another one=20
with the TCP/IP address of the same node. Relies NFS on DNS in the new mo=
de?

Cheers - Reuti


Vincent Roqueta wrote:
> Le jeudi 22 Septembre 2005 16:52, Reuti a =E9crit :
>=20
>>Finally I could track down the odd behavior (this time in top posting):
>>
>>If you have this combination:
>>
>>+ Linux kernel 2.6 nfsd on server
>>+ 64 bit i386, i.e. x86_64 server
>>+ using netgroups in /etc/exports
>>+ operate mountd/exportfs in new mode
>>
>>you will face the problem of stale NFS handle after a stop/start of of
>>the NFS service. As we want to use 64 bit of course, and enjoy netgroup=
s
>>for easier administration, I got a working setup by *not* mounting
>>/proc/fs/nfsd and forcing this way mountd/exportfs into legacy mode als=
o
>>on a 2.6 kernel.
>>
>>Cheers - Reuti
>=20
>=20
>=20
> There are several problems using x86_64 linux NFS (v4) machines as serv=
er, and=20
> it seems to have several problems on 64 bits architectures in general (=
at=20
> least with x86_64 and ppc64. Surely other architectures)
> =20
> For now there are this issue yet known (linux 2.6.13+CITI, Linux 2.6.14=
-rc*=20
> +CITI)
> -> Socket error -11 closing a big file (server : x86_64, clients: x86, =
ppc64)
> -> wrong lock behaviours  (Client PPC64, servers: ppc64, x86)
> ->  Input/output error closing a big file (server: ppc64, client x86_64=
)
> -> Oops (Client x86_64, server x86_64) - Linux 2.6.13+CITI
>=20
> However, this issues concern NFSv4. I am going to try to reproduce your=
=20
> problem with NFSv3 and NFSv4.
>=20
>=20
> Vincent
>=20
>=20
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