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From: Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-cifs-client@lists.samba.org, "Asser Femø" <asser@diku.dk>
Subject: Re: dnotify/inotify and vfs questions
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:07:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1124982445.17190.44.camel@icampbell-debian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050825145750.GA6658@mail.shareable.org>

On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 15:57 +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Ian Campbell wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 16:23 +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> > >     <receive some request>...
> > >     if (any_dnotify_or_inotify_events_pending) {
> > >         read_dnotify_or_inotify_events();
> > >         if (any_events_related_to(file)) {
> > >             store_in_userspace_stat_cache(file, stat(file));
> > >         }
> > >     }
> > >     stat_info = lookup_userspace_stat_cache(file);
> > > 
> > > Now that's a silly way to save one system call in the fast path by itself.
> > 
> > I'm not that familiar with inotify internals but doesn't
> > read_dnotify_or_inotify_events() or
> > any_dnotify_or_inotify_events_pending() involve a syscall?
> 
> The fast path is just any_dnotify_or_inotify_events_pending: there
> aren't any relevant events pending in the fast path.
[snip]
> As I explained in the previous mail, all this is absolutely pointless
> to save one system call.  It's a lot of work for negligable gain.
> 
> The point is when it saves lots of calls and userspace logic together,
> for things like web page templates and compiled programs, which depend
> on many files which can be revalidated in a small number of operations.

Thanks for the explaination.

Ian.
-- 
Ian Campbell
Current Noise: Iron Maiden - Prodigal Son

Fay: The British police force used to be run by men of integrity.
Truscott: That is a mistake which has been rectified.
		-- Joe Orton, "Loot"


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From: Ian Campbell <ijc@hellion.org.uk>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs-client@lists.samba.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: dnotify/inotify and vfs questions
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:07:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1124982445.17190.44.camel@icampbell-debian> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050825145750.GA6658@mail.shareable.org>

On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 15:57 +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Ian Campbell wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 16:23 +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> > >     <receive some request>...
> > >     if (any_dnotify_or_inotify_events_pending) {
> > >         read_dnotify_or_inotify_events();
> > >         if (any_events_related_to(file)) {
> > >             store_in_userspace_stat_cache(file, stat(file));
> > >         }
> > >     }
> > >     stat_info = lookup_userspace_stat_cache(file);
> > > 
> > > Now that's a silly way to save one system call in the fast path by itself.
> > 
> > I'm not that familiar with inotify internals but doesn't
> > read_dnotify_or_inotify_events() or
> > any_dnotify_or_inotify_events_pending() involve a syscall?
> 
> The fast path is just any_dnotify_or_inotify_events_pending: there
> aren't any relevant events pending in the fast path.
[snip]
> As I explained in the previous mail, all this is absolutely pointless
> to save one system call.  It's a lot of work for negligable gain.
> 
> The point is when it saves lots of calls and userspace logic together,
> for things like web page templates and compiled programs, which depend
> on many files which can be revalidated in a small number of operations.

Thanks for the explaination.

Ian.
-- 
Ian Campbell
Current Noise: Iron Maiden - Prodigal Son

Fay: The British police force used to be run by men of integrity.
Truscott: That is a mistake which has been rectified.
		-- Joe Orton, "Loot"

  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-25 15:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-23 13:00 dnotify/inotify and vfs questions Asser Femø
2005-08-23 15:23 ` Jamie Lokier
2005-08-23 15:23   ` Jamie Lokier
2005-08-25 12:40   ` Ian Campbell
2005-08-25 14:57     ` Jamie Lokier
2005-08-25 15:07       ` Ian Campbell [this message]
2005-08-25 15:07         ` Ian Campbell

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