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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Christian Limpach <Christian.Limpach@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
Subject: Re: /proc/xen/xenbus supports watch?
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:19:31 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1127089171.23870.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050917174003.GQ5722@cl.cam.ac.uk>

On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 18:40 +0100, Christian Limpach wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 06:26:04PM +1000, Rusty Russell wrote:
> > What was the reason for wanting multiple transactions per connection?
> > Changing the interface is going to be a PITA, so we should figure out if
> > we're going to need that soon...
> 
> It solves the immediate problem of making the xenbus lock in the kernel
> driver more fine grained.  I'm not too happy with how a userspace
> program can block all xenbus access for that domain at the moment,
> even if this is limited to the root user.

Sure, and we already have the concept of separate transports, so I think
we should use them.

> Additionally, I believe
> it's necessary to support reconnect to a different store after
> restore, allowing the store daemon or the xenbus driver to distinguish
> operations which are part of an incomplete transaction from operations
> which are not part of a transaction at all.

And I think you're wrong; it's unnecessary and it doesn't actually help.
The code will show.

>   Finally, adding transaction
> ids later will be a lot more difficult.

Unless we introduce a xs_transaction_context() call, and leave it
implicit?

> I also find the current behaviour a bit odd, we support operations
> outside of transactions but once you start a transaction, every
> operation you make is part of that transaction.  i think we should
> either require to always be in a transaction or always allow outside
> of transaction operations.

We could drop implicit transactions; it would simplify the code a bit.
I didn't do this because it seems a bit silly for simple monitoring
tools.  The start/end transaction model is simple, but if it's
demonstrably insufficient, I agree we should go for transaction ids.

That's orthogonal to the multiplexing of connections over a single
transport tho.

Rusty.
-- 
A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver -- Richard Braakman

  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-19  0:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-08  8:02 /proc/xen/xenbus supports watch? NAHieu
2005-09-08 10:38 ` Christian Limpach
2005-09-09  0:43   ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-13  9:42     ` Christian Limpach
2005-09-14  0:21       ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-14  8:24         ` Christian Limpach
2005-09-14  9:18         ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-14 12:55           ` Christian Limpach
2005-09-15  1:39             ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-15 10:53               ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-17  8:26                 ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-17  8:33                   ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-19  0:11                     ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-19  8:54                       ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-20 11:01                         ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-21  9:35                           ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-22  2:07                             ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-22  9:36                               ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-22 22:54                                 ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-23  9:17                                   ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-25  3:29                                     ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-25 11:02                                       ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-25 11:33                                         ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-25 18:55                                           ` Christian Limpach
2005-09-26  6:36                                             ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-26  7:33                                               ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-26 18:51                                               ` Christian Limpach
2005-09-26 19:30                                                 ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-27  6:48                                                   ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-27  7:15                                                 ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-27 23:31                                                   ` David Hopwood
2005-09-25 23:06                                           ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-21  9:39                           ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-21 11:42                             ` harry
2005-09-22  2:22                             ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-22  9:35                               ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-22 23:51                                 ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-23  1:01                                   ` Andrew Warfield
2005-09-25  0:57                                     ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-25 11:09                                       ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-25 22:52                                         ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-23  9:24                                   ` Keir Fraser
2005-09-25  1:09                                     ` Rusty Russell
2005-09-17 17:40                   ` Christian Limpach
2005-09-19  0:19                     ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2005-09-15 11:02               ` Christian Limpach

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