From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
To: Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
hawkes@sgi.com, Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>, Keith Owens <kaos@sgi.com>,
Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ia64: disable preemption in udelay()
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 02:03:55 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1134698636.12086.222.camel@mindpipe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0512151750500.1678@montezuma.fsmlabs.com>
On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 17:52 -0800, Zwane Mwaikambo wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Luck, Tony wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 03:25:26PM -0800, hawkes@sgi.com wrote:
> > > Sending this to a wider audience:
> > >
> > > The udelay() inline for ia64 uses the ITC. If CONFIG_PREEMPT is enabled
> > > and the platform has unsynchronized ITCs and the calling task migrates
> > > to another CPU while doing the udelay loop, then the effective delay may
> > > be too short or very, very long.
> > >
> > > The most simple fix is to disable preemption around the udelay looping.
> > > The downside is that this inhibits realtime preemption for cases of long
> > > udelays. One datapoint: an SGI realtime engineer reports that if
> > > CONFIG_PREEMPT is turned off, that no significant holdoffs are
> > > are attributed to udelay().
> > >
> > > I am reluctant to propose a much more complicated patch (that disables
> > > preemption only for "short" delays, and uses the global RTC as the time
> > > base for longer, preemptible delays) unless this patch introduces
> > > significant and unacceptable preemption delays.
> >
> > Stuck between a rock and the proverbial hard place.
> >
> > I think that the more complex patch is needed though. If some crazy
> > driver has a pre-emptible udelay(10000), then you really don't want
> > to spin for that long without allowing preemption.
>
> If it's a preemptible sleep period it should just use msleep.
There are 10 drivers that udelay(10000) or more and a TON that
udelay(1000). Turning those all into 1ms+ non preemptible sections will
be very bad.
Lee
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From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
To: Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
hawkes@sgi.com, Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>, Keith Owens <kaos@sgi.com>,
Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ia64: disable preemption in udelay()
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:03:55 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1134698636.12086.222.camel@mindpipe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0512151750500.1678@montezuma.fsmlabs.com>
On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 17:52 -0800, Zwane Mwaikambo wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Luck, Tony wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 03:25:26PM -0800, hawkes@sgi.com wrote:
> > > Sending this to a wider audience:
> > >
> > > The udelay() inline for ia64 uses the ITC. If CONFIG_PREEMPT is enabled
> > > and the platform has unsynchronized ITCs and the calling task migrates
> > > to another CPU while doing the udelay loop, then the effective delay may
> > > be too short or very, very long.
> > >
> > > The most simple fix is to disable preemption around the udelay looping.
> > > The downside is that this inhibits realtime preemption for cases of long
> > > udelays. One datapoint: an SGI realtime engineer reports that if
> > > CONFIG_PREEMPT is turned off, that no significant holdoffs are
> > > are attributed to udelay().
> > >
> > > I am reluctant to propose a much more complicated patch (that disables
> > > preemption only for "short" delays, and uses the global RTC as the time
> > > base for longer, preemptible delays) unless this patch introduces
> > > significant and unacceptable preemption delays.
> >
> > Stuck between a rock and the proverbial hard place.
> >
> > I think that the more complex patch is needed though. If some crazy
> > driver has a pre-emptible udelay(10000), then you really don't want
> > to spin for that long without allowing preemption.
>
> If it's a preemptible sleep period it should just use msleep.
There are 10 drivers that udelay(10000) or more and a TON that
udelay(1000). Turning those all into 1ms+ non preemptible sections will
be very bad.
Lee
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-12-16 2:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-12-14 23:25 [PATCH] ia64: disable preemption in udelay() hawkes
2005-12-14 23:25 ` hawkes
2005-12-15 22:50 ` Luck, Tony
2005-12-15 22:50 ` Luck, Tony
2005-12-16 1:04 ` Luck, Tony
2005-12-16 1:04 ` Luck, Tony
2005-12-16 8:20 ` Christian Hildner
2005-12-16 8:20 ` Christian Hildner
2005-12-16 14:14 ` Alan Cox
2005-12-16 1:52 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-16 1:52 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-16 2:03 ` Lee Revell [this message]
2005-12-16 2:03 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-16 2:12 ` John Hawkes
2005-12-16 2:12 ` John Hawkes
2005-12-16 2:40 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-16 2:40 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-16 3:19 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-16 3:19 ` Lee Revell
2005-12-22 21:45 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-22 21:45 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-12-16 2:37 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-16 2:37 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-16 2:42 ` hawkes
2005-12-16 2:42 ` hawkes
2005-12-16 12:28 ` Robin Holt
2005-12-16 12:28 ` Robin Holt
2005-12-16 17:33 ` Luck, Tony
2005-12-16 17:33 ` Luck, Tony
2005-12-16 18:39 ` John Hawkes
2005-12-16 18:39 ` John Hawkes
2005-12-23 0:14 ` Keith Owens
2005-12-23 0:14 ` Keith Owens
2005-12-23 5:58 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-23 6:03 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
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