From: Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@us.ibm.com>
To: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
Cc: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
npiggin@suse.de, ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rohitseth@google.com,
devel@openvz.org, clameter@sgi.com
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [patch00/05]: Containers(V2)- Introduction
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:45:59 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1158799559.6536.120.camel@linuxchandra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060920134903.fbd9fea8.pj@sgi.com>
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:49 -0700, Paul Jackson wrote:
I concur with most of the comments (except as noted below)
> Paul M wrote:
> > Even if the resource control portions aren't totally compatible,
> > having two separate process container abstractions in the kernel is
> > sub-optimal
>
> At heart, CKRM (ne Resource Groups) are (well, have been until now)
> different than cpusets.
>
> Cpusets answers the question 'where', and Resource Groups 'how much'.
>
> The fundamental motivation behind cpusets was to be able to enforce
> job isolation. A job can get dedicated use of specified resources,
> -even- if it means those resources are severely underutilized by that
> job.
>
> The fundamental motivation (Chandra or others correct me if I'm wrong)
> of Resource Groups is to improve capacity utilization while limiting
> starvation due to greedy, competing users for the same resources.
>
> Cpusets seeks maximum isolation. Resource Groups seeks maximum
> capacity utilization while preserving guaranteed levels of quality
> of service.
>
> Cpusets are that wall between you and the neighbor you might not
> trust. Resource groups are a large family of modest wealth sitting
> down to share a meal.
I am thinking hard about how to bring guarantee into this picture :).
>
> It seems that cpusets can mimic memory resource groups. I don't
I am little confused w.r.t how cpuset can mimic memory resource groups.
How can cpuset provide support for over commit.
> see how cpusets could mimic other resource groups. But maybe I'm
> just being a dimm bulb.
>
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Thread overview: 150+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-09-20 2:16 [patch00/05]: Containers(V2)- Introduction Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 5:39 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 16:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 16:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 16:56 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 16:56 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:19 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:19 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:30 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 18:03 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 18:03 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:40 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:40 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 16:27 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 16:27 ` Rohit Seth
[not found] ` <1158751720.8970.67.camel@twins>
[not found] ` <4511626B.9000106@yahoo.com.au>
[not found] ` <1158767787.3278.103.camel@taijtu>
2006-09-20 17:00 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:00 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:23 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 17:23 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 17:36 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:36 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:30 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:30 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:50 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 17:50 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 17:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 18:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:14 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 18:14 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 18:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:33 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:33 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:38 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 18:38 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 19:48 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:48 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 19:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 19:51 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 19:51 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-09-20 18:57 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 18:57 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 13:06 ` [Devel] " Cedric Le Goater
2006-09-20 16:45 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 16:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 16:44 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 16:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:07 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-20 17:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 22:27 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 22:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:26 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 17:37 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 17:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:42 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:07 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 19:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 20:06 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 22:58 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:02 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:33 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:39 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21 0:05 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 0:09 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 23:26 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21 0:51 ` [Lhms-devel] " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-09-21 1:33 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2006-09-21 1:36 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 22:51 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:22 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-20 23:45 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 17:34 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 17:48 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-20 17:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 23:29 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:18 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 17:30 ` [ckrm-tech] " Paul Menage
2006-09-20 23:37 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:53 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 0:07 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 0:10 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 0:17 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 18:34 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 18:43 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 18:54 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 19:25 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 19:35 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-20 19:57 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 0:30 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 0:33 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 0:50 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 0:34 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 20:49 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:51 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 21:04 ` Paul Jackson
[not found] ` <6599ad830609201605s2fc1ccbdse31e3e60a50d56bc@mail.google.com>
2006-09-20 23:54 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 23:57 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 0:09 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 1:25 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 0:45 ` Chandra Seetharaman [this message]
2006-09-21 0:51 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-20 20:27 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 17:02 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-21 19:29 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:11 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 20:17 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-20 19:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-09-21 0:31 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 0:36 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 0:42 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 1:45 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 1:52 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 20:06 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 20:10 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 21:44 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-21 22:09 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-22 0:06 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22 0:13 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-22 0:55 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22 0:24 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-22 0:57 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-22 1:11 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 21:59 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-21 22:07 ` Paul Menage
2006-09-21 22:48 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-20 19:09 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-27 19:50 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-27 21:28 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-27 22:24 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-28 8:01 ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-28 18:31 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 21:53 ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-29 0:22 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 18:12 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-28 20:23 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-28 21:38 ` Rohit Seth
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