From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: root@programming.kicks-ass.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, miklos@szeredi.hu, neilb@suse.de,
dgc@sgi.com, tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com,
nikita@clusterfs.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/12] mm: page_alloc_wait
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:37:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1175841448.6483.117.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070405155743.91380f00.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 15:57 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:42:19 +0200
> root@programming.kicks-ass.net wrote:
>
> > Introduce a mechanism to wait on free memory.
> >
> > Currently congestion_wait() is abused to do this.
>
> Such a very small explanation for such a terrifying change.
Yes, I suck at writing changelogs, bad me. Normally I would take a day
to write them, but I just wanted to get this code out there. Perhaps a
bad decision.
> > ...
> >
> > --- linux-2.6-mm.orig/mm/vmscan.c 2007-04-05 16:29:46.000000000 +0200
> > +++ linux-2.6-mm/mm/vmscan.c 2007-04-05 16:29:49.000000000 +0200
> > @@ -1436,6 +1436,7 @@ static int kswapd(void *p)
> > finish_wait(&pgdat->kswapd_wait, &wait);
> >
> > balance_pgdat(pgdat, order);
> > + page_alloc_ok();
> > }
> > return 0;
> > }
>
> For a start, we don't know that kswapd freed pages which are in a suitable
> zone. And we don't know that kswapd freed pages which are in a suitable
> cpuset.
>
> congestion_wait() is similarly ignorant of the suitability of the pages,
> but the whole idea behind congestion_wait is that it will throttle page
> allocators to some speed which is proportional to the speed at which the IO
> systems can retire writes - view it as a variable-speed polling operation,
> in which the polling frequency goes up when the IO system gets faster.
> This patch changes that philosophy fundamentally. That's worth more than a
> 2-line changelog.
>
> Also, there might be situations in which kswapd gets stuck in some dark
> corner. Perhaps the process which is waiting in the page allocator holds
> filesystem locks which kswapd is blocked on. Or kswapd might be blocked on
> a particular request queue, or a dead NFS server or something. The timeout
> will save us, but things will be slow.
>
> There could be other problems too, dunno - this stuff is tricky. Why are
> you changing it, what problems are being solved, etc?
Lets start with the why, because of 12/12; I wanted to introduce per BDI
congestion feedback, and hence needed a BDI context for
congestion_wait(). These specific callers weren't in the context of a
BDI but of a more global idea.
Perhaps I could call page_alloc_ok() from bdi_congestion_end()
irrespective of the actual BDI uncongested? That would more or less give
the old semantics.
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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: root@programming.kicks-ass.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, miklos@szeredi.hu, neilb@suse.de,
dgc@sgi.com, tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com,
nikita@clusterfs.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/12] mm: page_alloc_wait
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:37:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1175841448.6483.117.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070405155743.91380f00.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 15:57 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:42:19 +0200
> root@programming.kicks-ass.net wrote:
>
> > Introduce a mechanism to wait on free memory.
> >
> > Currently congestion_wait() is abused to do this.
>
> Such a very small explanation for such a terrifying change.
Yes, I suck at writing changelogs, bad me. Normally I would take a day
to write them, but I just wanted to get this code out there. Perhaps a
bad decision.
> > ...
> >
> > --- linux-2.6-mm.orig/mm/vmscan.c 2007-04-05 16:29:46.000000000 +0200
> > +++ linux-2.6-mm/mm/vmscan.c 2007-04-05 16:29:49.000000000 +0200
> > @@ -1436,6 +1436,7 @@ static int kswapd(void *p)
> > finish_wait(&pgdat->kswapd_wait, &wait);
> >
> > balance_pgdat(pgdat, order);
> > + page_alloc_ok();
> > }
> > return 0;
> > }
>
> For a start, we don't know that kswapd freed pages which are in a suitable
> zone. And we don't know that kswapd freed pages which are in a suitable
> cpuset.
>
> congestion_wait() is similarly ignorant of the suitability of the pages,
> but the whole idea behind congestion_wait is that it will throttle page
> allocators to some speed which is proportional to the speed at which the IO
> systems can retire writes - view it as a variable-speed polling operation,
> in which the polling frequency goes up when the IO system gets faster.
> This patch changes that philosophy fundamentally. That's worth more than a
> 2-line changelog.
>
> Also, there might be situations in which kswapd gets stuck in some dark
> corner. Perhaps the process which is waiting in the page allocator holds
> filesystem locks which kswapd is blocked on. Or kswapd might be blocked on
> a particular request queue, or a dead NFS server or something. The timeout
> will save us, but things will be slow.
>
> There could be other problems too, dunno - this stuff is tricky. Why are
> you changing it, what problems are being solved, etc?
Lets start with the why, because of 12/12; I wanted to introduce per BDI
congestion feedback, and hence needed a BDI context for
congestion_wait(). These specific callers weren't in the context of a
BDI but of a more global idea.
Perhaps I could call page_alloc_ok() from bdi_congestion_end()
irrespective of the actual BDI uncongested? That would more or less give
the old semantics.
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-05 17:42 [PATCH 00/12] per device dirty throttling -v3 root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 01/12] nfs: remove congestion_end() root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 02/12] mm: scalable bdi statistics counters root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 22:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 22:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 7:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-06 7:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 03/12] mm: count dirty pages per BDI root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 04/12] mm: count writeback " root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 05/12] mm: count unstable " root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 06/12] mm: expose BDI statistics in sysfs root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 07/12] mm: per device dirty threshold root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 08/12] mm: fixup possible deadlock root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 09/12] mm: remove throttle_vm_writeback root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 22:44 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 22:44 ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-26 20:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-09-26 20:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 10/12] mm: page_alloc_wait root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 22:57 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 22:57 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 6:37 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2007-04-06 6:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 11/12] mm: accurate pageout congestion wait root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-06 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-05 17:42 ` [PATCH 12/12] mm: per BDI congestion feedback root
2007-04-05 17:42 ` root
2007-04-05 23:24 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 23:24 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 7:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-06 7:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-06 11:00 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 11:00 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 11:10 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-06 11:10 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-05 17:47 ` [PATCH 00/12] per device dirty throttling -v3 Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-05 17:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
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