From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: cluster-devel.redhat.com
Subject: [Cluster-devel] Re: [fuse-devel] [PATCH 01/25] VFS: move attr_kill logic from notify_change into helper function
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:23:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1186435419.6616.136.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1II8Nw-0005XH-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 21:37 +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > > Your patch is changing the API in a very unsafe way, since there will
> > > be no error or warning on an unconverted fs. And that could lead to
> > > security holes.
> > >
> > > If we would rename the setattr method to setattr_new as well as
> > > changing it's behavior, that would be fine. But I guess we do not
> > > want to do that.
> >
> > Which "unconverted fses"? If we're talking out of tree stuff, then too
> > bad: it is _their_ responsibility to keep up with kernel changes.
>
> It is usually a good idea to not change the semantics of an API in a
> backward incompatible way without changing the syntax as well.
We're taking two setattr flags ATTR_KILL_SGID, and ATTR_KILL_SUID which
have existed for several years in the VFS, and making them visible to
the filesystems. Out-of-tree filesystems that care can check for them in
a completely backward compatible way: you don't even need to add a
#define.
> This is true regardless of whether we care about out-of-tree code or
> not (and we should care to some degree). And especially true if the
> change in question is security sensitive.
It is not true "regardless": the in-tree code is being converted.
Out-of-tree code is the only "problem" here, and their only problem is
that they may have to add support for the new flags if they also support
suid/sgid mode bits.
Are you advocating reserving a new filesystem bit every time we need to
add an attribute flag?
Trond
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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
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Subject: Re: [fuse-devel] [PATCH 01/25] VFS: move attr_kill logic from notify_change into helper function
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 17:23:39 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1186435419.6616.136.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1II8Nw-0005XH-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 21:37 +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> > > Your patch is changing the API in a very unsafe way, since there will
> > > be no error or warning on an unconverted fs. And that could lead to
> > > security holes.
> > >
> > > If we would rename the setattr method to setattr_new as well as
> > > changing it's behavior, that would be fine. But I guess we do not
> > > want to do that.
> >
> > Which "unconverted fses"? If we're talking out of tree stuff, then too
> > bad: it is _their_ responsibility to keep up with kernel changes.
>
> It is usually a good idea to not change the semantics of an API in a
> backward incompatible way without changing the syntax as well.
We're taking two setattr flags ATTR_KILL_SGID, and ATTR_KILL_SUID which
have existed for several years in the VFS, and making them visible to
the filesystems. Out-of-tree filesystems that care can check for them in
a completely backward compatible way: you don't even need to add a
#define.
> This is true regardless of whether we care about out-of-tree code or
> not (and we should care to some degree). And especially true if the
> change in question is security sensitive.
It is not true "regardless": the in-tree code is being converted.
Out-of-tree code is the only "problem" here, and their only problem is
that they may have to add support for the new flags if they also support
suid/sgid mode bits.
Are you advocating reserving a new filesystem bit every time we need to
add an attribute flag?
Trond
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-06 21:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-06 13:54 [Cluster-devel] [PATCH 01/25] VFS: move attr_kill logic from notify_change into helper function Jeff Layton
2007-08-06 13:54 ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-06 13:54 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <200708061354.l76Ds6sq002260-f+VxlG6Paaj0UfVguI6niVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 17:43 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-06 17:43 ` [fuse-devel] " Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-06 18:13 ` [Cluster-devel] " Jeff Layton
2007-08-06 18:13 ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-06 18:13 ` Jeff Layton
[not found] ` <20070806141333.0f54ab17.jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-06 18:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-06 18:28 ` [fuse-devel] " Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-06 19:04 ` [Cluster-devel] " Trond Myklebust
2007-08-06 19:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-06 19:37 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-06 21:23 ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2007-08-06 21:23 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-07 6:00 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-07 10:05 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-07 10:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-07 11:27 ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-07 11:53 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-07 20:51 ` [Cluster-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-07 20:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-07 20:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-07 22:20 ` [Cluster-devel] " Jeff Layton
2007-08-07 22:20 ` Jeff Layton
2007-08-07 22:20 ` Jeff Layton
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