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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/8] Immediate Values - Global Modules List and Module Mutex
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:53:34 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1189468414.8023.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070908072811.GB1819@martell.zuzino.mipt.ru>

On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 11:28 +0400, Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> > Remove "static" from module_mutex and the modules list so it can be used by
> > other builtin objects in the kernel. Otherwise, every code depending on the
> > module list would have to be put in kernel/module.c. Since the immediate values
> > depends on the module list but can be considered as logically different, it
> > makes sense to implement them in their own file.

If I understand this code correctly, then changing immediate values
needs some exclusion to avoid patching live code.  You leave this to the
user with some very unclear rules.

The result is a real mess that has nothing to do with the module mutex
and list.  These patches need a lot more work 8(

1) The immediate types are just kind of silly.  See per-cpu for how it
handles this already.  DECLARE_IMMEDIATE(type, var) is probably enough.

2) immediate_if() needs an implementation before you introduce it.  Your
assumption that it's always unlikely seems non-orthogonal.

3) immediate_set(), _immediate_set() and immediate_set_early()?  No
thanks!  AFAICT you really want an "init_immediate(var, val)".  This
means "you can patch all the references now, they're not executing".
Later on we could possibly have a super-stop-machine version which
ensures noone's preempted and handles the concurrent case.  Maybe.

4) With an "init" interface not a "set" interface, you don't need
locking.  Simpler.

Hope that helps,
Rusty.



  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-10 23:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-06 20:02 [patch 0/8] Immediate Values for 2.6.23-rc4-mm1 Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-06 20:02 ` [patch 1/8] Immediate Values - Global Modules List and Module Mutex Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-08  7:28   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-09-10 23:53     ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2007-09-11  0:45       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-11  5:18         ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-11 14:27           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-13  5:47             ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-13 21:21               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-13 23:15                 ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-14 15:32                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-17 22:54                     ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-18 13:41                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-20 12:29                         ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-21 13:37                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-22  7:15                             ` Rusty Russell
2007-09-06 20:02 ` [patch 2/8] Immediate Values - Architecture Independent Code Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-06 20:02 ` [patch 3/8] Immediate Values - Kconfig menu in EMBEDDED Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-07  6:49   ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-07 12:46     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-07 22:39       ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-11 20:22         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-12 12:42           ` Andi Kleen
2007-09-06 20:02 ` [patch 4/8] Immediate Values - Move Kprobes i386 restore_interrupt to kdebug.h Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-07 10:31   ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2007-09-06 20:02 ` [patch 5/8] Immediate Values - i386 Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-06 20:02 ` [patch 6/8] Immediate Values - Powerpc Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-06 20:02 ` [patch 7/8] Immediate Values Powerpc Optimization Fix Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-06 20:02 ` [patch 8/8] Immediate Values - Documentation Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-06 21:20   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-09-07 12:23     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-09-07 14:24       ` Randy Dunlap
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-27 15:59 [patch 0/8] Immediate Values Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-27 15:59 ` [patch 1/8] Immediate Values - Global Modules List and Module Mutex Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-20 20:23 [patch 0/8] Immediate Values Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-20 20:23 ` [patch 1/8] Immediate Values - Global Modules List and Module Mutex Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-12 15:07 [patch 0/8] Immediate Values Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-08-12 15:07 ` [patch 1/8] Immediate Values - Global Modules List and Module Mutex Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-14  1:24 [patch 0/8] Immediates Values (real variables) Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-14  1:24 ` [patch 1/8] Immediate values - Global modules list and module mutex Mathieu Desnoyers

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