x.25 status in kernel

x.25 status in kernel

[Mehturt]

Hello list,
I am reading about the current status of x.25 in Linux kernel.
Is the information in net/x25/Kconfig up-to-date?
Is the x.25 over LLC 2 still not present in kernel?
Is this information (from
http://www.baty.hanse.de/linux-x25/doc/FAQ.txt) true as of 2.6.23
kernel?
	"LAPB over Ethernet driver" for doing X.25 over lapb over Ethernet
	      (CAUTION: this is only intended for testing, it does not
	      implement a standardised protocol, it uses ethernet
	      broadcasting which might disturn other hosts)
Is this statement (from kernel sources) still valid?
 *      This is ALPHA test software. This code may break your machine,
 *      randomly fail to work with new releases, misbehave and/or generally
 *      screw up. It might even work.

The reason I'm asking is that our customer wants to migrate some
services from Solaris (using Solstice x.25 stack) to Linux and I need
to find linux stacks out there - I started with the implementation
currently in Linux kernel.

Thanks
m.

RE: x.25 status in kernel

[Hendry, Andrew]

Hi,

Haven't tried to use LAPB over E, or X.25 over LLC2. 
But, X.25 over TCP got the job done on another project migrating away from solaris.
http://www.fyonne.net/ for some more details on x.25 over TCP.

I have wondered about the ALPHA status there myself. Its been in there a long time, what does it take to move from alpha? 

Cheers,
Andrew.

-----Original Message-----
From: linux-x25-owner@vger.kernel.org on behalf of Mehturt
Sent: Sat 12/8/2007 11:02 AM
To: linux-x25@vger.kernel.org
Subject: x.25 status in kernel
 
Hello list,
I am reading about the current status of x.25 in Linux kernel.
Is the information in net/x25/Kconfig up-to-date?
Is the x.25 over LLC 2 still not present in kernel?
Is this information (from
http://www.baty.hanse.de/linux-x25/doc/FAQ.txt) true as of 2.6.23
kernel?
	"LAPB over Ethernet driver" for doing X.25 over lapb over Ethernet
	      (CAUTION: this is only intended for testing, it does not
	      implement a standardised protocol, it uses ethernet
	      broadcasting which might disturn other hosts)
Is this statement (from kernel sources) still valid?
 *      This is ALPHA test software. This code may break your machine,
 *      randomly fail to work with new releases, misbehave and/or generally
 *      screw up. It might even work.

The reason I'm asking is that our customer wants to migrate some
services from Solaris (using Solstice x.25 stack) to Linux and I need
to find linux stacks out there - I started with the implementation
currently in Linux kernel.

Thanks
m.
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Re: x.25 status in kernel

[Mehturt]

Hi, thanks for the pointer to fyonne.net.
From what I see there I understand that in order to use XOT I need to
communicate either to Cisco HW or another XOT daemon (e.g. another
Linux box)?  Are there any other HW vendors supporting XOT you have
experience with?
My concern, and I'm sure other people will complain about this as
well, is that the kernel module is based on obsoleted ethertap module.
 I'd have to see what it takes to rewrite this to use the tuntap
stuff.
m.

On Dec 8, 2007 1:37 AM, Hendry, Andrew <ahendry@tusc.com.au> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Haven't tried to use LAPB over E, or X.25 over LLC2.
> But, X.25 over TCP got the job done on another project migrating away from solaris.
> http://www.fyonne.net/ for some more details on x.25 over TCP.
>
> I have wondered about the ALPHA status there myself. Its been in there a long time, what does it take to move from alpha?
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-x25-owner@vger.kernel.org on behalf of Mehturt
> Sent: Sat 12/8/2007 11:02 AM
> To: linux-x25@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: x.25 status in kernel
>
> Hello list,
> I am reading about the current status of x.25 in Linux kernel.
> Is the information in net/x25/Kconfig up-to-date?
> Is the x.25 over LLC 2 still not present in kernel?
> Is this information (from
> http://www.baty.hanse.de/linux-x25/doc/FAQ.txt) true as of 2.6.23
> kernel?
>         "LAPB over Ethernet driver" for doing X.25 over lapb over Ethernet
>               (CAUTION: this is only intended for testing, it does not
>               implement a standardised protocol, it uses ethernet
>               broadcasting which might disturn other hosts)
> Is this statement (from kernel sources) still valid?
>  *      This is ALPHA test software. This code may break your machine,
>  *      randomly fail to work with new releases, misbehave and/or generally
>  *      screw up. It might even work.
>
> The reason I'm asking is that our customer wants to migrate some
> services from Solaris (using Solstice x.25 stack) to Linux and I need
> to find linux stacks out there - I started with the implementation
> currently in Linux kernel.
>
> Thanks
> m.
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>
>

Re: x.25 status in kernel

[ahendry]

Hi,

For the other end of XoT, as far as I know it can be another linux box,
or some vendors packaged linux boxes, or a cisco router. There could be
more I haven't had to work on it for a year or so. When we did it, an
x.25 network was being virtualized with XoT to get rid of the old x.25
network hardware. The applications and end point hardware/firmware
stayed x.25, and we used XoT to join it to the network. In this scenerio
XoT made sense, as an added bonus on the cisco side XoT works with
normal IOS, XoE/llc2 requires an enterprise IOS.

If your migrating from solstice without changing the network, and
already have something for XoE, the x.25 over llc2 will be the one to
look at, from memory solstice didn't do XoT. I noticed Venkat just
posted this
"I want to make two Linux systems communicating through X.25 suite.
I am successful in sending data through X.25 PLP over lapb over 
Ethernet. (by using X25 socket API, x25route and lapb0 virtual
interface)" Sounds like what you need.

Your right on the x25tap. It seems to work well enough for the moment,
but should be migrated from the obsolete interface. 

Cheers,
Andrew

On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 09:21 +0100, Mehturt wrote:
> Hi, thanks for the pointer to fyonne.net.
> From what I see there I understand that in order to use XOT I need to
> communicate either to Cisco HW or another XOT daemon (e.g. another
> Linux box)?  Are there any other HW vendors supporting XOT you have
> experience with?
> My concern, and I'm sure other people will complain about this as
> well, is that the kernel module is based on obsoleted ethertap module.
>  I'd have to see what it takes to rewrite this to use the tuntap
> stuff.
> m.
> 
> On Dec 8, 2007 1:37 AM, Hendry, Andrew <ahendry@tusc.com.au> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Haven't tried to use LAPB over E, or X.25 over LLC2.
> > But, X.25 over TCP got the job done on another project migrating away from solaris.
> > http://www.fyonne.net/ for some more details on x.25 over TCP.
> >
> > I have wondered about the ALPHA status there myself. Its been in there a long time, what does it take to move from alpha?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andrew.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: linux-x25-owner@vger.kernel.org on behalf of Mehturt
> > Sent: Sat 12/8/2007 11:02 AM
> > To: linux-x25@vger.kernel.org
> > Subject: x.25 status in kernel
> >
> > Hello list,
> > I am reading about the current status of x.25 in Linux kernel.
> > Is the information in net/x25/Kconfig up-to-date?
> > Is the x.25 over LLC 2 still not present in kernel?
> > Is this information (from
> > http://www.baty.hanse.de/linux-x25/doc/FAQ.txt) true as of 2.6.23
> > kernel?
> >         "LAPB over Ethernet driver" for doing X.25 over lapb over Ethernet
> >               (CAUTION: this is only intended for testing, it does not
> >               implement a standardised protocol, it uses ethernet
> >               broadcasting which might disturn other hosts)
> > Is this statement (from kernel sources) still valid?
> >  *      This is ALPHA test software. This code may break your machine,
> >  *      randomly fail to work with new releases, misbehave and/or generally
> >  *      screw up. It might even work.
> >
> > The reason I'm asking is that our customer wants to migrate some
> > services from Solaris (using Solstice x.25 stack) to Linux and I need
> > to find linux stacks out there - I started with the implementation
> > currently in Linux kernel.
> >
> > Thanks
> > m.
> > -
> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-x25" in
> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
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> >
> >
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Re: x.25 status in kernel

[Mehturt]

Hi,
actually what I need is not XOT, but the protocol translation done on
Cisco - translating TCP/IP to x.25.


On Dec 14, 2007 1:48 AM, ahendry <ahendry@tusc.com.au> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For the other end of XoT, as far as I know it can be another linux box,
> or some vendors packaged linux boxes, or a cisco router. There could be
> more I haven't had to work on it for a year or so. When we did it, an
> x.25 network was being virtualized with XoT to get rid of the old x.25
> network hardware. The applications and end point hardware/firmware
> stayed x.25, and we used XoT to join it to the network. In this scenerio
> XoT made sense, as an added bonus on the cisco side XoT works with
> normal IOS, XoE/llc2 requires an enterprise IOS.
>
> If your migrating from solstice without changing the network, and
> already have something for XoE, the x.25 over llc2 will be the one to
> look at, from memory solstice didn't do XoT. I noticed Venkat just
> posted this
> "I want to make two Linux systems communicating through X.25 suite.
> I am successful in sending data through X.25 PLP over lapb over
> Ethernet. (by using X25 socket API, x25route and lapb0 virtual
> interface)" Sounds like what you need.

Hmm, perhaps I'm not really familiar with terms here.. I thought for
ethernet you need LLC2, not LAPB.
But yes, that's something I need.

>
> Your right on the x25tap. It seems to work well enough for the moment,
> but should be migrated from the obsolete interface.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew
>
>
> On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 09:21 +0100, Mehturt wrote:
> > Hi, thanks for the pointer to fyonne.net.
> > From what I see there I understand that in order to use XOT I need to
> > communicate either to Cisco HW or another XOT daemon (e.g. another
> > Linux box)?  Are there any other HW vendors supporting XOT you have
> > experience with?
> > My concern, and I'm sure other people will complain about this as
> > well, is that the kernel module is based on obsoleted ethertap module.
> >  I'd have to see what it takes to rewrite this to use the tuntap
> > stuff.
> > m.
> >
> > On Dec 8, 2007 1:37 AM, Hendry, Andrew <ahendry@tusc.com.au> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Haven't tried to use LAPB over E, or X.25 over LLC2.
> > > But, X.25 over TCP got the job done on another project migrating away from solaris.
> > > http://www.fyonne.net/ for some more details on x.25 over TCP.
> > >
> > > I have wondered about the ALPHA status there myself. Its been in there a long time, what does it take to move from alpha?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Andrew.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: linux-x25-owner@vger.kernel.org on behalf of Mehturt
> > > Sent: Sat 12/8/2007 11:02 AM
> > > To: linux-x25@vger.kernel.org
> > > Subject: x.25 status in kernel
> > >
> > > Hello list,
> > > I am reading about the current status of x.25 in Linux kernel.
> > > Is the information in net/x25/Kconfig up-to-date?
> > > Is the x.25 over LLC 2 still not present in kernel?
> > > Is this information (from
> > > http://www.baty.hanse.de/linux-x25/doc/FAQ.txt) true as of 2.6.23
> > > kernel?
> > >         "LAPB over Ethernet driver" for doing X.25 over lapb over Ethernet
> > >               (CAUTION: this is only intended for testing, it does not
> > >               implement a standardised protocol, it uses ethernet
> > >               broadcasting which might disturn other hosts)
> > > Is this statement (from kernel sources) still valid?
> > >  *      This is ALPHA test software. This code may break your machine,
> > >  *      randomly fail to work with new releases, misbehave and/or generally
> > >  *      screw up. It might even work.
> > >
> > > The reason I'm asking is that our customer wants to migrate some
> > > services from Solaris (using Solstice x.25 stack) to Linux and I need
> > > to find linux stacks out there - I started with the implementation
> > > currently in Linux kernel.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > m.
> > > -
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