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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/4] checkpoint-restart: general infrastructure
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 06:39:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1218289165.19082.74.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200808090837.07417.arnd@arndb.de>

On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 08:37 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Saturday 09 August 2008, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 00:39 +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > The main problem I see with that would be atomicity: If you want multiple
> > > processes to keep interacting with each other, you need to save them at
> > > the same point in time, which gets harder as you split your interface into
> > > more than a single file descriptor.
> > 
> > It could take ages to write out a checkpoint even to a single fd, so I
> > suspect we'd have the exact same kinds of issues either way.
> 
> I guess either way, you have to SIGSTOP (or similar) all the tasks you want
> to checkpoint atomically before you start saving the contents.
> If you use a single fd, you can do that under the covers, when using a 
> more complex file system, it seems more logical to require an explicit
> interface for this.

Oh, we're already working on patches to the freezer code to do this for
us.  There's a branch in here from Matt H. that's doing just that:

http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/daveh/linux-2.6-next-lxc.git;a=shortlog

-- Dave


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-09 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-07 22:40 [RFC][PATCH 0/4] kernel-based checkpoint restart Dave Hansen
2008-08-07 22:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/4] checkpoint-restart: general infrastructure Dave Hansen
2008-08-07 22:40 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08  9:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08  9:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <200808081146.54834.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-08 18:50       ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 18:50     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 20:59       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-08 20:59       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-08 22:17         ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 23:27           ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-08 23:27           ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-08 22:23         ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` <489CB3CA.6050304-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-08 22:17           ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 22:23           ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-14  8:09           ` [Devel] " Pavel Emelyanov
2008-08-14  8:09         ` Pavel Emelyanov
     [not found]           ` <48A3E81C.6010008-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-14 15:16             ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-14 15:16           ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 22:13       ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08 22:13       ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08 22:26         ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 22:39           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]             ` <200808090039.20289.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09  0:43               ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-09  0:43             ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-09  6:37               ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-09  6:37               ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                 ` <200808090837.07417.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09 13:39                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-09 13:39                 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2008-08-08 22:39           ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-11 15:07           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-08-11 15:25             ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]             ` <20080811150703.GA25930-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-11 15:25               ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-14  5:53               ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14  5:53             ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 15:12               ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]               ` <20080814055301.GH6995-+ZI9xUNit7I@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-14 15:12                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-20 21:40                 ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-20 21:40                   ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-11 15:07           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <200808090013.41999.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-08 22:26           ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-11 15:22           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-08-11 15:22         ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <20080811152201.GB25930-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-11 16:53             ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-11 16:53           ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-11 17:11             ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]             ` <200808111853.13854.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-11 17:11               ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-11 19:48               ` checkpoint/restart ABI Dave Hansen
2008-08-11 19:48             ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-11 21:47               ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-11 21:47               ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-11 23:14                 ` Jonathan Corbet
     [not found]                   ` <20080811171433.2ce81f28-vw3g6Xz/EtPk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-11 23:23                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-11 23:23                   ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                 ` <200808112347.50245.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-11 23:14                   ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-08-21  5:56                   ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-21  5:56                     ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                     ` <48AD0379.9030705-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-21  8:43                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-21  8:43                     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                       ` <200808211043.41387.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-21 15:43                         ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-21 15:43                       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-11 21:54               ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-11 21:54               ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-11 23:38               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-11 23:54                 ` Peter Chubb
     [not found]                   ` <87d4kfds5i.wl%peterc-LkDQP0DxSMGxwJ88Py/mJxCuuivNXqWP@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-12 14:49                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-08-12 15:11                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-12 14:49                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-08-28 23:40                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <20080812144905.GA16016-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-28 23:40                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2008-08-12 15:11                   ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                 ` <48A0CD86.6030704-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-11 23:54                   ` Peter Chubb
2008-08-12 14:58                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-12 14:58                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-12 16:32                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-12 16:46                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-12 17:04                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-12 17:04                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-20 21:52                         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                         ` <48A1C2B9.9070107-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-20 21:52                           ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-20 21:54                       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-20 21:54                       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-20 22:11                         ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                         ` <48AC929C.9030901-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-20 22:11                           ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]                     ` <48A1BB39.3090108-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-12 16:46                       ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-12 16:32                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-11 23:38               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-11 18:03   ` [RFC][PATCH 1/4] checkpoint-restart: general infrastructure Jonathan Corbet
2008-08-11 18:03   ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-08-11 18:38     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-12  3:44       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-12  3:44         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]     ` <20080811120315.4b3ba2c8-vw3g6Xz/EtPk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-11 18:38       ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-18  9:26   ` [Devel] " Pavel Emelyanov
2008-08-18  9:26     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-08-20 19:10     ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]     ` <48A94061.8040206-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-20 19:10       ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-07 22:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/4] checkpoint/restart: x86 support Dave Hansen
2008-08-07 22:40 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 12:09   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08 12:09   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <200808081409.30591.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-08 20:28       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-08 20:28         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]         ` <489CAC70.7090809-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-08 22:29           ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08 22:29         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08 23:04           ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-09  0:38             ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-09  1:20               ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-09  1:20               ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                 ` <489CF0CE.1000603-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09  2:20                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-09  2:20                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-09  2:35                   ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-09  2:35                   ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-10 14:55               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-10 14:55               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                 ` <489F015E.9080704-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-11 15:36                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-11 15:36                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-11 16:07                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-08-11 16:07                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]             ` <489CD0F9.9060603-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-09  0:38               ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-09  6:43               ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-09  6:43             ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]           ` <200808090029.28286.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-08 23:04             ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-07 22:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/4] checkpoint/restart: memory management Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 12:12   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08 12:12     ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-07 22:40 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-07 22:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/4] introduce sys_checkpoint and sys_restore Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 12:15   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08 12:15   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]     ` <200808081415.19179.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-08 20:33       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-08 20:33         ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-07 22:40 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08  9:25 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/4] kernel-based checkpoint restart Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08  9:25   ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]   ` <200808081125.12706.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-08 18:06     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 19:44     ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-08 19:44       ` Oren Laadan
2008-08-08 18:06   ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-08 18:18     ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-08-08 18:18     ` Arnd Bergmann

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