From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Hans-Peter Jansen <hpj-2x7n3sizJbFeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Aaron Straus <aaron-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [NFS] blocks of zeros (NULLs) in NFS files in kernels >= 2.6.20
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:35:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1222101322.7615.6.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200809221805.48463.hpj-2x7n3sizJbFeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 18:05 +0200, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
> For what is worth, this behavior is visible in bog standard writing/reading
> files, (log files in my case, via the python logging package). It obviously
> deviates from local filesystem behavior, and former state of the linux
> nfs-client. Should we add patches to less, tail, and all other instruments
> for watching/analysing log files (just to pick the tip of the ice rock) in
> order to throw away runs of zeros, when reading from nfs mounted files? Or
> should we ask their maintainers to add locking code for the nfs "read
> files, which are written at the same time" case, just to work around
> __some__ of the consequences of this bug? Imagine, how ugly this is going
> to look!
>
> The whole issue is what I call a major regression, thus I strongly ask for a
> reply from Trond on this matter.
>
> I even vote for sending a revert request for this hunk to the stable team,
> where it is applicable, after Trond sorted it out (for 2.6.27?).
>
> Thanks, Aaron and Chuck for the detailed analysis - it demystified a wired
> behavior, I observed here. When you're in a process to get real work done
> in a fixed timeline, such things could make you mad..
Revert _what_ exactly?
Please assume that I've been travelling for the past 5 weeks, and have
only a sketchy idea of what has been going on.
My understanding was that this is a consequence of unordered writes
causing the file to be extended while some other task is reading.
AFAICS, this sort of behaviour has _always_ been possible. I can't see
how reverting anything will fix it.
Trond
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Hans-Peter Jansen <hpj@urpla.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Aaron Straus <aaron@merfinllc.com>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [NFS] blocks of zeros (NULLs) in NFS files in kernels >= 2.6.20
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:35:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1222101322.7615.6.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200809221805.48463.hpj@urpla.net>
On Mon, 2008-09-22 at 18:05 +0200, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:
> For what is worth, this behavior is visible in bog standard writing/reading
> files, (log files in my case, via the python logging package). It obviously
> deviates from local filesystem behavior, and former state of the linux
> nfs-client. Should we add patches to less, tail, and all other instruments
> for watching/analysing log files (just to pick the tip of the ice rock) in
> order to throw away runs of zeros, when reading from nfs mounted files? Or
> should we ask their maintainers to add locking code for the nfs "read
> files, which are written at the same time" case, just to work around
> __some__ of the consequences of this bug? Imagine, how ugly this is going
> to look!
>
> The whole issue is what I call a major regression, thus I strongly ask for a
> reply from Trond on this matter.
>
> I even vote for sending a revert request for this hunk to the stable team,
> where it is applicable, after Trond sorted it out (for 2.6.27?).
>
> Thanks, Aaron and Chuck for the detailed analysis - it demystified a wired
> behavior, I observed here. When you're in a process to get real work done
> in a fixed timeline, such things could make you mad..
Revert _what_ exactly?
Please assume that I've been travelling for the past 5 weeks, and have
only a sketchy idea of what has been going on.
My understanding was that this is a consequence of unordered writes
causing the file to be extended while some other task is reading.
AFAICS, this sort of behaviour has _always_ been possible. I can't see
how reverting anything will fix it.
Trond
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-22 16:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-05 19:19 [NFS] blocks of zeros (NULLs) in NFS files in kernels >= 2.6.20 Aaron Straus
2008-09-05 19:19 ` Aaron Straus
[not found] ` <20080905191939.GG22796-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-05 19:56 ` [NFS] " Chuck Lever
2008-09-05 19:56 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-05 20:04 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-05 20:36 ` Bernd Eckenfels
[not found] ` <20080905200455.GH22796-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-05 20:36 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-05 20:36 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-05 22:14 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-05 22:14 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-06 0:03 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-06 0:03 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-08 19:02 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-08 19:02 ` Aaron Straus
[not found] ` <20080908190212.GF28123-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-08 21:15 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-08 21:15 ` Chuck Lever
[not found] ` <76bd70e30809081415h6b55a8dfl8171634c576ac946-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-08 22:02 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-08 22:02 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-09 19:46 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-09 19:46 ` Aaron Straus
[not found] ` <20080909194644.GI5290-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-11 16:55 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-11 16:55 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-11 17:19 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-11 17:19 ` Aaron Straus
[not found] ` <20080911171908.GE12037-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-11 17:48 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-11 17:48 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-11 18:49 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-11 18:49 ` Aaron Straus
[not found] ` <20080911184951.GB19054-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 16:05 ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2008-09-22 16:05 ` Hans-Peter Jansen
[not found] ` <200809221805.48463.hpj-2x7n3sizJbFeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 16:35 ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2008-09-22 16:35 ` Trond Myklebust
2008-09-22 17:04 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-22 17:04 ` Aaron Straus
[not found] ` <20080922170414.GC12483-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 17:26 ` Chuck Lever
2008-09-22 17:26 ` Chuck Lever
[not found] ` <76bd70e30809221026g7bde774pbffa35881682ea4b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 17:37 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-22 17:37 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-22 17:29 ` Trond Myklebust
2008-09-22 17:29 ` Trond Myklebust
2008-09-22 17:45 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-22 17:45 ` Aaron Straus
[not found] ` <20080922174525.GF12483-bYFJunmd+ZV8UrSeD/g0lQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 18:43 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-22 18:43 ` Aaron Straus
2008-09-22 18:45 ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2008-09-22 18:45 ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2008-09-22 18:45 ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2008-09-22 18:45 ` Hans-Peter Jansen
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