From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
David Wilder <dwilder@us.ibm.com>,
hch@lst.de, Tom Zanussi <zanussi@comcast.net>,
Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:11:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1222272686.16700.162.camel@lappy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33307c790809240847r31c8b683na15ff5488b60d25b@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 08:47 -0700, Martin Bligh wrote:
> Thanks for creating this so quickly ;-)
>
> >> We can record either the fast way of reserving a part of the buffer:
> >>
> >> event = ring_buffer_lock_reserve(buffer, event_id, length, &flags);
> >> event->data = record_this_data;
> >> ring_buffer_unlock_commit(buffer, event, flags);
> >
> > This can, in generic, not work. Due to the simple fact that we might
> > straddle a page boundary. Therefore I think its best to limit our self
> > to the write interface below, so that it can handle that.
>
> I'm not sure why this is any harder to deal with in write, than it is
> in reserve? We should be able to make reserve handle this just
> as well?
No, imagine the mentioned case where we're straddling a page boundary.
A----| |----B
^------|
So when we reserve we get a pointer into page A, but our reserve length
will run over into page B. A write() method will know how to check for
this and break up the memcpy to copy up-to the end of A and continue
into B.
You cannot expect the reserve/commit interface users to do this
correctly - it would also require one to expose too much internals,
you'd need to be able to locate page B for starters.
> If you use write rather than reserve, you have to copy all the data
> twice for every event.
Well, once. I'm not seeing where the second copy comes from.
> > On top of that foundation build an eventbuffer, which knows about
> > encoding/decoding/printing events.
> >
> > This too needs to be a flexible layer -
>
> That would be nice. However, we need to keep at least the length
> and timestamp fields common so we can do parsing and the mergesort?
And here I was thinking you guys bit encoded the event id into the
timestamp delta :-)
> +struct ring_buffer_event {
> + unsigned long long counter;
> + short type;
> + short length;
> + char body[];
> +} __attribute__((__packed__))
>
> So type would move into the body here?
All of it would, basically I have no notion of an event in the
ringbuffer API. You write $something and your read routine would need to
be smart enough to figure it out.
The trivial case is a fixed size entry, in which case you always know
how much to read. A slightly more involved but still easy to understand
example might be a 7bit encoding and using the 8th bit for continuation.
Another option is to start out with a fixed sized header that contains a
length field.
But the raw ringbuffer layer, the one concerned with fiddling the pages
and writing/reading thereto need not be aware of anything else.
> > as I suspect the google guys
> > will want their ultra-compressed events back.
>
> Is useful when gathering GB of data across 10,000 machines ;-)
> Also reduces general overhead for everyone to keep events small.
Exactly - which is why a flexible encoding layer makes sense to me -
aside from the abstraction itself.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-24 16:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-24 5:10 [RFC PATCH 0/3] An Unified tracing buffer (attempt) Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 15:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 15:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 10:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-24 15:47 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 16:11 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-09-24 16:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 16:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:56 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 18:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 20:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 16:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:49 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 17:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:37 ` David Miller
2008-09-24 20:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:51 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:24 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-24 21:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 21:03 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 21:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 10:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-25 14:33 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-25 15:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 15:25 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 15:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 16:23 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:20 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 17:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 16:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 19:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 20:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 20:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 21:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 21:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 22:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 23:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-27 17:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-27 17:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-27 17:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-27 17:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-27 18:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-27 18:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 21:15 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 20:29 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 20:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 21:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 22:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 22:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 23:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 23:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-26 14:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-25 22:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 22:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-26 1:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 1:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26 1:49 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 22:59 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26 1:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 1:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26 2:07 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 2:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26 5:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 10:41 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 15:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 17:54 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 18:04 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 20:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:56 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 22:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 22:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 17:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:42 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:37 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 16:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 16:51 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] ftrace: combine some print formating Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] ftrace: hack in the ring buffer Steven Rostedt
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