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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	prasad@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	David Wilder <dwilder@us.ibm.com>,
	hch@lst.de, Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>,
	Tom Zanussi <zanussi@comcast.net>,
	Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:38:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080925103821.GA15720@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0809241106210.1860@gandalf.stny.rr.com>


* Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:

> > > Or if we already have the data together:
> > > 
> > > ring_buffer_write(buffer, event_id, length, data);
> > 
> > Don't like the event_id, just stick to plain binary data, and leave 
> > interpretation open to whoemever uses it.
> 
> This is up to debate. I know you don't like this extra event layer, 
> but seriously, all my uses with ring buffers has had some kind of 
> event. But then I'm sure you can argue that if you are using a single 
> type you can can the event.
> 
> I'm open to doing this, but I would like a consensus on this.
> 
> Martin, Thomas, Ingo, Linus?

i'd prefer Peter's simplification and not pass event_id along. Since 
static types are lost anyway (which is the biggest cost and risk of any 
such abstraction), we have to convert between types early on. Whether 
event_id is visible in the API is no big difference.

(It might be cheaper to not pass it along even if everyone ends up using 
it - as it has no semantic meaning anyway.)

pretty much the only generic tracing information is time and payload 
size. ( but even a time key is debatable - there are various resolutions 
needed by different usecases. Some usecases are even fine without any 
timestamps at all - they just want to know the ordering of events and 
that's it.)

i'd like to see some automatic type protection though, as an 
off-by-default debug option: encode the record type on storing and 
double-check it on extraction. So it should be possible to reliably 
store/restore a typed trace buffer and notice corruption early in 
testing.

because there's one thing that is far more important tracer feature than 
sheer performance: robustness.

Automated type checking in debug mode would also mean we could go for 
RLE encoding much more agressively. Most of the risks of a more complex, 
more compressed and pointer-laden data format come from type mismatches 
and the loss of compiler protection against human errors/stupidity. 
(running off the end of the page, misinterpreting a pointer, a record, 
etc.)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-25 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-24  5:10 [RFC PATCH 0/3] An Unified tracing buffer (attempt) Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24  5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] Unified trace buffer Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 15:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 15:44     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 10:38       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2008-09-24 15:47     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 16:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 16:24         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 16:37           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:56             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 17:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 18:01           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 20:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 16:26         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:49         ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 17:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 17:49             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:37                 ` David Miller
2008-09-24 20:48                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:51                   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:24                     ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-24 21:33                       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:47                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 21:03                   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:17                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 21:51                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 10:41                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-25 14:33                       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 14:53                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-25 15:05                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 15:25                             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 15:36                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 16:23                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:32                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:20                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 17:32                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 16:40                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 16:53                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:07                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 19:55                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:12                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 20:29                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 20:47                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 21:01                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 21:10                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:16                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:41                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:56                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:58                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 22:14                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 23:33                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-27 17:16                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-27 17:36                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-27 17:38                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-27 17:50                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-27 18:18                                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-27 18:42                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 20:52                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:14                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 21:15                                               ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-25 20:29                                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 20:20                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 21:02                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 21:55                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 22:25                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-25 22:45                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 23:04                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 23:25                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-26 14:04                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-25 22:39                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 22:55                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-26  1:17                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26  1:27                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26  1:49                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-25 22:59                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26  1:27                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26  1:35                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26  2:07                                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26  2:25                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-26  5:31                                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-26 10:41                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 15:26                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 17:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:39                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-25 18:14                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 15:20                           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 17:54             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 18:04               ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 20:39                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:56                   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24 21:08                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 20:30               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 20:53                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 22:28                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-24 22:41                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:15                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 17:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:42                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:37                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-25 16:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-25 17:02                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:13       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24 16:31         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24 16:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-24 16:51           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-24  5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] ftrace: combine some print formating Steven Rostedt
2008-09-24  5:10 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] ftrace: hack in the ring buffer Steven Rostedt

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