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From: Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers <containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [BIG RFC] Filesystem-based checkpoint
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:11:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225397484.12673.358.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <490A0F67.5000303-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 15:47 -0400, Oren Laadan wrote:
>   3. Your approach doesn't play well with what I call "checkpoint that
>   involves self". This term refers to a process that checkpoints itself
>   (and only itself), or to a process that attempts to checkpoint its own
>   container.  In both cases, there is no other entity that will read the
>   data from the file system while the caller is blocked.
> 
> This is a key point for me, with multiple use cases. The simplest, if
> you will, is for a process to simply checkpoint itself (no containers
> and other crap :p). Same for dumping your own container. And there are
> others.

Let's take a step back here.  I believe that strictly enforcing this
requirement strictly requires that the checkpoint be done in its
entirety by the kernel.

A process must have its state serialized in a repeatable way.  That
basically precludes  it running during the checkpoint, or having its
state change in any way that isn't atomic.

If a process can't be, itself, running during a checkpoint, then
something running must be performing the checkpoint.  That "something"
must either be another process or the kernel.  Since you've defined the
goal as a self-checkpoint, it *can't* be another process.  So, it *must*
be the kernel.

When it comes down to it, I think this point drives quite a bit of the
implementation.  The cr_kread/write(), for instance.  We *need* the
kernel to do the writing since we've completely precluded userspace from
doing it.

-- Dave

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-30 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-28 18:37 [BIG RFC] Filesystem-based checkpoint Dave Hansen
2008-10-28 20:56 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]   ` <20081028205654.GA17487-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-28 21:00     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-28 21:10     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 16:25       ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]         ` <4909E000.9070201-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 16:36           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 18:19 ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]   ` <4909FAA8.5000107-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 19:28     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20081030192817.GA16340-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 19:39         ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 19:50           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-30 19:47         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]           ` <490A0F67.5000303-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 20:03             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-30 20:11             ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2008-11-04 21:33               ` Mike Waychison
2008-10-30 19:37     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 20:15       ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]         ` <490A15F5.6010702-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 20:40           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 23:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <m163n9y7yb.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-31  0:09     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-31  3:12       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <m1k5bpwj8j.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-31 10:22           ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-31 13:48           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-31 14:21           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-31 20:51             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <m1r65wpjx2.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-03 17:23                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-03 17:48                   ` Dave Hansen

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