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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers <containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Hansen
	<dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [BIG RFC] Filesystem-based checkpoint
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:48:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081031134841.GA11140@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1k5bpwj8j.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>

Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org):
> With a file descriptor I can push the data onto a network socket and
> the receiving process is on another computer.  0 copies, 0 trips
> to user space.  I'm not certain how you would achieve that with filesystem
> approach.

This has been Oren's most convincing argument for all sorts of little
choices (his precise data format, the use of an fd and cr_kwrite()).

I wonder (a) what neat things Dave could come up with to to bridge that
gap, and (b) how much of that gap becomes less meaningful with a proper
use of pre-dump (and post-dump).

> >> Reading the memory of another process is a problem, to the point
> >> that the /proc/<pid>/mem interface has been removed from the kernel.
> >
> > Yes, this is certainly true.  All of the ptrace-related security issues
> > surely tell us something.  But, I'm not sure of your point here.  Are
> > you saying that using sys_checkpoint() to dump a process's pages is
> > inherently safer than approach that uses a filesystem in order to do the
> > same?
> 
> I'm saying inspecting another process is a very racy operation so something
> we need to be especially careful with. 

I don't see any difference there between Dave's and Oren's approaches.
In either case, the container is frozen while the kernel walks the
container's task's pages and dumps them... somewhere.

-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-10-31 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-28 18:37 [BIG RFC] Filesystem-based checkpoint Dave Hansen
2008-10-28 20:56 ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]   ` <20081028205654.GA17487-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-28 21:00     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-28 21:10     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 16:25       ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]         ` <4909E000.9070201-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 16:36           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 18:19 ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]   ` <4909FAA8.5000107-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 19:28     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20081030192817.GA16340-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 19:39         ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 19:50           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-30 19:47         ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]           ` <490A0F67.5000303-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 20:03             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-30 20:11             ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04 21:33               ` Mike Waychison
2008-10-30 19:37     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 20:15       ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]         ` <490A15F5.6010702-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 20:40           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 23:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]   ` <m163n9y7yb.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-31  0:09     ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-31  3:12       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]         ` <m1k5bpwj8j.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-31 10:22           ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-31 13:48           ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2008-10-31 14:21           ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-31 20:51             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <m1r65wpjx2.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-11-03 17:23                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-03 17:48                   ` Dave Hansen

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