From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>,
"linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] configure HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK for SGI_SN systems
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:16:03 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1231283763.11687.135.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090106225054.GB3850@sgi.com>
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 16:50 -0600, Robin Holt wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:57:20PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 12:34 -0800, Luck, Tony wrote:
> > > > > All ia64 systems are potentially affected ... but perhaps you might
> > > > > never see the problem on most because the itc clocks are synced as close
> > > > > as s/w can get them when cpus are brought on line.
> > > >
> > > > Do you want Dimitri to resubmit with this set for all IA64 or leave it
> > > > as is?
> > >
> > > I'd like to understand the impact of turning on HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK
> > >
> > > It looks like both the i386_defconfig and x86_64_defconfig choose this,
> > > so at least ia64 will be hitting the well tested code paths
> > >
> > > Have the other architectures just not hit this yet? Or do they all have
> > > "stable" sched_clock() functions?
> > >
> > >
> > > sched_clock() seemed like such a straightforward thing to begin with. A
> > > quick & easy way to measure a time delta ON THE SAME CPU. I'm not at
> > > all sure why it has been co-opted for general time measurement.
> >
> > It came from the complication of needing to tell a remote cpu's time due
> > to remote wakeups in the scheduler.
>
> But doesn't scheduler tick advance the rq->clock? Why do the others
> need to fiddle with a remote runqueue's clock? When that cpu starts
> taking ticks again, it will update it's rq->clock field and start the
> processes. I guess I am a lot underinformed about the new scheduler
> design.
We try to do better than tick based time accounting these days.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>,
"linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org>,
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] configure HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK for SGI_SN systems
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:16:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1231283763.11687.135.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090106225054.GB3850@sgi.com>
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 16:50 -0600, Robin Holt wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 09:57:20PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 12:34 -0800, Luck, Tony wrote:
> > > > > All ia64 systems are potentially affected ... but perhaps you might
> > > > > never see the problem on most because the itc clocks are synced as close
> > > > > as s/w can get them when cpus are brought on line.
> > > >
> > > > Do you want Dimitri to resubmit with this set for all IA64 or leave it
> > > > as is?
> > >
> > > I'd like to understand the impact of turning on HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK
> > >
> > > It looks like both the i386_defconfig and x86_64_defconfig choose this,
> > > so at least ia64 will be hitting the well tested code paths
> > >
> > > Have the other architectures just not hit this yet? Or do they all have
> > > "stable" sched_clock() functions?
> > >
> > >
> > > sched_clock() seemed like such a straightforward thing to begin with. A
> > > quick & easy way to measure a time delta ON THE SAME CPU. I'm not at
> > > all sure why it has been co-opted for general time measurement.
> >
> > It came from the complication of needing to tell a remote cpu's time due
> > to remote wakeups in the scheduler.
>
> But doesn't scheduler tick advance the rq->clock? Why do the others
> need to fiddle with a remote runqueue's clock? When that cpu starts
> taking ticks again, it will update it's rq->clock field and start the
> processes. I guess I am a lot underinformed about the new scheduler
> design.
We try to do better than tick based time accounting these days.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-06 23:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-06 16:27 [PATCH] configure HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK for SGI_SN systems Dimitri Sivanich
2009-01-06 16:27 ` Dimitri Sivanich
2009-01-06 17:12 ` Greg KH
2009-01-06 17:12 ` Greg KH
2009-01-06 20:15 ` Luck, Tony
2009-01-06 20:15 ` Luck, Tony
2009-01-06 20:19 ` Robin Holt
2009-01-06 20:19 ` Robin Holt
2009-01-06 20:34 ` Luck, Tony
2009-01-06 20:34 ` Luck, Tony
2009-01-06 20:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 20:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-06 22:50 ` Robin Holt
2009-01-06 22:50 ` Robin Holt
2009-01-06 23:16 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-01-06 23:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07 3:00 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07 3:16 ` Jack Steiner
2009-01-07 3:16 ` Jack Steiner
2009-01-07 7:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 7:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 7:40 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07 7:40 ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-07 9:43 ` Robin Holt
2009-01-07 9:43 ` Robin Holt
2009-01-07 9:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 9:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 13:32 ` Dimitri Sivanich
2009-01-07 13:32 ` Dimitri Sivanich
2009-01-07 15:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-07 15:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-15 18:48 ` Greg KH
2009-01-15 18:48 ` Greg KH
2009-01-15 19:21 ` Luck, Tony
2009-01-15 19:21 ` Luck, Tony
2009-01-22 19:04 ` Greg KH
2009-01-22 19:04 ` Greg KH
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