From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Igor Zhbanov <izh1979@gmail.com>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
neilb@suse.de, Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morgan <morgan@kernel.org>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: Ответ: VFS, NFS security bug? Should CAP_MKNOD and CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE be added to CAP_FS_MASK?
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:21:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1237393287.12822.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090317182335.GB31633@us.ibm.com>
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 13:23 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> But in cap_inode_setxattr, any security.* xattrs are controlled by
> CAP_SYS_ADMIN. So do you think that this should be changed to a
> CAP_XATTR_SECURITY capability which can be added to CAP_FS_MASK?
I think that would be preferable to CAP_SYS_ADMIN, yes.
> Or do you think it's ok that fsuid=0 does not allow you to set
> security.selinux (or security.SMACK64, etc) xattrs when selinux is
> not compiled in?
Just to be clear, at present fsuid is irrelevant to setting the
security.* xattrs since it doesn't affect the CAP_SYS_ADMIN capability
at all, so it all depends on the initial capability state prior to using
setfsuid(), typically the full capability set.
> (You may have already answered this with your EOPNOTSUPP comment, but
> I want to make sure I understand right)
>
> > > Does anyone know what the trusted xattrs are used for?
> >
> > Not beyond what attr(5) says about them.
>
> Well, if attr(5) says CAP_SYS_ADMIN being needed is the very
> thing that defines these xattrs, then changing that seems a
> bigger deal. That really does seem akin to changing kernel-user
> API.
Perhaps, although it isn't clear that this API is in use by anyone or in
use in a way that would actually distinguish based on individual
capability.
But if you were to add CAP_SYS_ADMIN to CAP_FS_MASK in order to ensure
that setfsuid() does in fact affect all filesystem accesses, how much
meaningful difference remains between fsuid==0 and euid==0? It
obviously takes you far afield of only affecting filesystem accesses.
--
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency
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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Igor Zhbanov <izh1979@gmail.com>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk,
neilb@suse.de, Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morgan <morgan@kernel.org>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: Ответ: VFS, NFS security bug? Should CAP_MKNOD and CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE be added to CAP_FS_MASK?
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:21:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1237393287.12822.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090317182335.GB31633@us.ibm.com>
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 13:23 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> But in cap_inode_setxattr, any security.* xattrs are controlled by
> CAP_SYS_ADMIN. So do you think that this should be changed to a
> CAP_XATTR_SECURITY capability which can be added to CAP_FS_MASK?
I think that would be preferable to CAP_SYS_ADMIN, yes.
> Or do you think it's ok that fsuid=0 does not allow you to set
> security.selinux (or security.SMACK64, etc) xattrs when selinux is
> not compiled in?
Just to be clear, at present fsuid is irrelevant to setting the
security.* xattrs since it doesn't affect the CAP_SYS_ADMIN capability
at all, so it all depends on the initial capability state prior to using
setfsuid(), typically the full capability set.
> (You may have already answered this with your EOPNOTSUPP comment, but
> I want to make sure I understand right)
>
> > > Does anyone know what the trusted xattrs are used for?
> >
> > Not beyond what attr(5) says about them.
>
> Well, if attr(5) says CAP_SYS_ADMIN being needed is the very
> thing that defines these xattrs, then changing that seems a
> bigger deal. That really does seem akin to changing kernel-user
> API.
Perhaps, although it isn't clear that this API is in use by anyone or in
use in a way that would actually distinguish based on individual
capability.
But if you were to add CAP_SYS_ADMIN to CAP_FS_MASK in order to ensure
that setfsuid() does in fact affect all filesystem accesses, how much
meaningful difference remains between fsuid==0 and euid==0? It
obviously takes you far afield of only affecting filesystem accesses.
--
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-18 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-11 12:53 VFS, NFS security bug? Should CAP_MKNOD and CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE be added to CAP_FS_MASK? Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-11 23:23 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 16:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 16:31 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 16:10 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-12 19:00 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-12 20:56 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-12 20:21 ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-03-13 17:58 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-13 18:37 ` Ответ: " Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-13 19:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-13 19:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 18:21 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-16 18:21 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-16 18:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 18:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 21:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-16 21:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-16 22:26 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-16 23:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 23:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 23:17 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-17 14:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-17 14:20 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-17 17:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-17 17:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-17 17:52 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-17 17:52 ` Stephen Smalley
2009-03-17 18:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-17 18:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:17 ` ?????: " Casey Schaufler
2009-03-18 16:17 ` Casey Schaufler
2009-03-18 16:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:21 ` Stephen Smalley [this message]
2009-03-18 16:21 ` Ответ: " Stephen Smalley
2009-03-18 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 16:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-18 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 22:48 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 23:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 23:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-14 19:20 ` Michael Kerrisk
2009-03-16 14:16 ` Igor Zhbanov
2009-03-16 16:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 16:46 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 17:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 17:04 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-16 22:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-03-16 22:59 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-23 13:21 ` unprivileged mounts vs. rmdir (was: VFS, NFS security bug? ...) Miklos Szeredi
2009-03-26 12:43 ` Pavel Machek
2009-03-26 13:14 ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-03-27 7:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-03-12 11:46 ` VFS, NFS security bug? Should CAP_MKNOD and CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE be added to CAP_FS_MASK? Igor Zhbanov
[not found] ` <f44001920903120446k47590437q95242f7a55c11d57-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-12 12:25 ` Igor Zhbanov
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