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From: Daniel Reurich <daniel@centurion.net.nz>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: md extension to support booting from raid whole disks.
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:41:59 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1240962119.18303.826.camel@ezra> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18935.35747.471257.202356@notabene.brown>


> 
> v1.x metadata has explicit knowledge of where the start of the data
> is, so it is quite possible to leave the first few (dozen) sectors
> unused (let's not talk about cylinders this century - OK?).
> So mdadm could grow a --grub flag to use with --create which arranged
> for data/bitmap to not use the first (say) 512 sectors of any device.
> (1.1 and 1.2 would still use reserved blocks for the superblock).
> [I can cut you a patch to experiment with if you like]

That would be nice.  The 1.1 superblock is no good as the bootsector
goes in the same place, and 1.2 is where I expect grub would be writing
data too.  I'll check this though.  Grub still needs patching to
understand v1.X superblocks, so that could include blacklisting the
location of a v1.2 superblock location and some for the write-intent
bitmap. (Is there a way to determine where the w-i bitmap gets located
and how big it is from the super block.)

I'd say put lets reserve the first 64K (2 cylinders) for boot and
superblock.


> grub could then write whatever it wants to write to any of these
> sectors.
> 
> That only leaves the question of what happens when a spare is added to
> the array - how does the grub data get written to the space on the
> spare.
> I would rather that grub were responsible for this, than for md to
> treat that unused space as RAID1.

Fair enough for the short term, but I imagine in the long run it would
be a better way then calling an external application.  Isn't this
already done for the w-i bitmap anyway?

> We already have a notification system based on "mdadm --monitor" to
> process events.  We could possibly plug grub in to that somehow so
> that it gets told to re-write all it's special blocks every time
> something significant changes in the array.

If mdmon can call external commands, it should only need to call the
appropriate grub-install [/dev/md/dX | "(md0)", and it would rewrite the
superblock on all the devices.

-- 
Daniel Reurich

Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd
Ph 021 797 722


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-04-28 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-24 12:08 md extension to support booting from raid whole disks Daniel Reurich
2009-04-27 15:08 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28  4:58   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-28  6:26     ` Luca Berra
2009-04-28  9:35     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28 11:21       ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 17:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-28 22:23         ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:30           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:02             ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29 11:32               ` John Robinson
2009-04-28 18:24     ` Dan Williams
2009-04-28 22:19       ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 22:26         ` Dan Williams
2009-05-01 21:04           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-01 21:24             ` Dan Williams
2009-05-01 22:33               ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-02 12:07                 ` John Robinson
2009-05-04 17:02                   ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-05  9:31                   ` Michal Soltys
2009-04-28 23:05         ` Neil Brown
2009-04-28 23:20           ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:00             ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:04               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:20                 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:28                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:43                     ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  6:43                       ` Gabor Gombas
2009-05-01 21:10                         ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-01 22:36                           ` Rudy Zijlstra
2009-05-02  1:04                             ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-02 17:02                               ` Michał Przyłuski
2009-05-03  1:33                                 ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-05-03  4:25                                   ` NeilBrown
2009-05-03 18:05                                     ` Leslie Rhorer
2009-05-04  3:04                                     ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-08 21:50                                       ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-08 22:16                                         ` NeilBrown
2009-05-08 22:29                                           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-12  5:39                                             ` Neil Brown
2009-05-12 19:44                                               ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-13 11:12                                                 ` Neil Brown
2009-05-14  2:21                                                   ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-15 16:13                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 12:15                                               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-05-08 22:06                                 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-05-09  7:20                                   ` Peter Rabbitson
2009-05-10  1:29                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
     [not found]                             ` <87presxwu4.fsf@frosties.localdomain>
     [not found]                               ` <1241219902.9516.6.camel@poledra.romunt.nl>
     [not found]                                 ` <87bpq8n6ym.fsf@frosties.localdomain>
2009-05-04 20:57                                   ` Rudy Zijlstra
2009-05-04 22:33                                     ` Daniel Reurich
2009-05-05  0:26                                       ` John Robinson
2009-05-05  9:03                                         ` Keld Jørn Simonsen
2009-05-08 21:18                                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-29 22:43                   ` md extension to support booting from raid whole disks, raid6, grub2, lvm2 Michael Ole Olsen
2009-05-01 21:36                     ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-29  7:45             ` md extension to support booting from raid whole disks Luca Berra
2009-04-29 16:55               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29 20:38                 ` Luca Berra
2009-04-30  6:59               ` Gabor Gombas
2009-04-30  8:11                 ` Luca Berra
2009-04-30 13:01                   ` John Robinson
2009-04-28 23:41           ` Daniel Reurich [this message]
2009-04-29  0:01             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-01 21:33           ` Goswin von Brederlow
2009-04-28  7:08   ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:07 ` Neil Brown
2009-04-28 23:21   ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-28 23:37   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:05     ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:06       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-29  0:36         ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  0:44           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]             ` <1240968482.18303.1028.camel@ezra>
     [not found]               ` <49F7B162.8060301@zytor.com>
2009-04-29  2:08                 ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  2:33                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-30  2:41             ` Daniel Reurich
2009-04-29  7:07           ` Gabor Gombas

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