Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Zhao, Halley]

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There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list

ZHAO, Halley (Aihua)
Email: halley.zhao(a)intel.com<mailto:aihua.zhao@intel.com>
Tel: +86(21)61166476
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Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Marcel Holtmann]

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Hi Halley,

> There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list

and that is on purpose!

I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
the mailing into a subfolder.

Regards

Marcel

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Luis Santiago]

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I agree on having a tag. It just gets in the way of normal daily email.

Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would
definitely help having a tag to sort things out.

Regards,

Luis Santiago


On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>wrote:

> Hi Halley,
>
> > There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
>
> and that is on purpose!
>
> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
> the mailing into a subfolder.
>
> Regards
>
> Marcel
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> ofono mailing list
> ofono(a)ofono.org
> http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono
>

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Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Leandro Dorileo]

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Hi

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Luis Santiago <cs.lpsantiago@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree on having a tag. It just gets in the way of normal daily email.
>
> Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would
> definitely help having a tag to sort things out.


You can use any headers the mailing list uses to filter the messages...

>
> Regards,
>
> Luis Santiago
>
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Halley,
>>
>> > There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
>>
>> and that is on purpose!
>>
>> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
>> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
>> the mailing into a subfolder.
>>







-- 
(°=   Leandro Dorileo
//\    ldorileo(a)gmail.com   -   http://www.dorilex.net
V_/  Software is a matter of freedom.

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Adam McKerlie]

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If your using gmail, just add your own label through a filter.

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Leandro Dorileo <ldorileo@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Luis Santiago <cs.lpsantiago@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I agree on having a tag. It just gets in the way of normal daily email.
> >
> > Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would
> > definitely help having a tag to sort things out.
>
>
> You can use any headers the mailing list uses to filter the messages...
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Luis Santiago
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Halley,
> >>
> >> > There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
> >>
> >> and that is on purpose!
> >>
> >> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
> >> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
> >> the mailing into a subfolder.
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> (°=   Leandro Dorileo
> //\    ldorileo(a)gmail.com   -   http://www.dorilex.net
> V_/  Software is a matter of freedom.
> _______________________________________________
> ofono mailing list
> ofono(a)ofono.org
> http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono
>

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RE: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Sousou, Imad]

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>>
>> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
>> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
>> the mailing into a subfolder.
>>
I like tags, but not for filtering... but because tag+subject makes it easy to scan your inbox and get context, specially for those of us who subscribe to many mailing lists

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Sousou, Imad wrote:
>>> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
>>> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
>>> the mailing into a subfolder.
>>>
> I like tags, but not for filtering... but because tag+subject makes it easy to scan your inbox and get context, specially for those of us who subscribe to many mailing lists


Yep exactly. Right on.

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Or you could add a tag to the subject and we wouldn't have to add a 
label. :)

Adam McKerlie wrote:
> If your using gmail, just add your own label through a filter.
> 
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Leandro Dorileo <ldorileo@gmail.com 
> <mailto:ldorileo@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi
> 
>     On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Luis Santiago
>     <cs.lpsantiago(a)gmail.com <mailto:cs.lpsantiago@gmail.com>> wrote:
>      > I agree on having a tag. It just gets in the way of normal daily
>     email.
>      >
>      > Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would
>      > definitely help having a tag to sort things out.
> 
> 
>     You can use any headers the mailing list uses to filter the messages...
> 
>      >
>      > Regards,
>      >
>      > Luis Santiago
>      >
>      >
>      > On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Marcel Holtmann
>     <marcel(a)holtmann.org <mailto:marcel@holtmann.org>>
>      > wrote:
>      >>
>      >> Hi Halley,
>      >>
>      >> > There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
>      >>
>      >> and that is on purpose!
>      >>
>      >> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but
>     I can't
>      >> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically
>     sort
>      >> the mailing into a subfolder.
>      >>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     --
>     (°=   Leandro Dorileo
>     //\    ldorileo(a)gmail.com <mailto:ldorileo@gmail.com>   -  
>     http://www.dorilex.net
>     V_/  Software is a matter of freedom.
>     _______________________________________________
>     ofono mailing list
>     ofono(a)ofono.org <mailto:ofono@ofono.org>
>     http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ofono mailing list
> ofono(a)ofono.org
> http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Leandro Dorileo wrote:
> Hi
> 
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Luis Santiago <cs.lpsantiago@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree on having a tag. It just gets in the way of normal daily email.
>>
>> Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would
>> definitely help having a tag to sort things out.
> 
> 
> You can use any headers the mailing list uses to filter the messages...


Yes. We could. However maybe we want to rapidly identify the messages 
and read them? It's not necessarily for filtering as much as it is for 
identification.


> 
>> Regards,
>>
>> Luis Santiago
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Halley,
>>>
>>>> There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
>>> and that is on purpose!
>>>
>>> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
>>> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
>>> the mailing into a subfolder.
>>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[DJDAS]

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Luis Santiago ha scritto:
> I agree on having a tag. It just gets in the way of normal daily email.
>
> Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would 
> definitely help having a tag to sort things out.
>
> Regards,
>
> Luis Santiago
>
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org 
> <mailto:marcel@holtmann.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Halley,
>
>     > There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
>
>     and that is on purpose!
>
>     I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I
>     can't
>     stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
>     the mailing into a subfolder.
>
>     Regards
>
>     Marcel
>


IMHO tags are useful only if different topics are discussed into the 
same mailing list and they need to be classified to ease readability 
(e.g. different software version to test, different hardware platforms 
it runs on, etc).
The suggestion was meant to simply classify the list itself to (I think) 
filter messages, but the former writer could as simple as by subject, 
filter by sender or mailing list name :)
Bye :)

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Aki Niemi]

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pe, 2009-05-22 kello 14:57 +0200, ext Luis Santiago kirjoitti:
> Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would
> definitely help having a tag to sort things out.

Try filtering based on the List-Id header field. I subscribe to around
100 mailing lists, and have never found myself lacking of a tag in the
Subject field to properly sort them.

Cheers,
Aki

-- 
Aki Niemi
Maemo Software, Nokia Devices R&D

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Aki Niemi wrote:
> pe, 2009-05-22 kello 14:57 +0200, ext Luis Santiago kirjoitti:
>> Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would
>> definitely help having a tag to sort things out.
> 
> Try filtering based on the List-Id header field. I subscribe to around
> 100 mailing lists, and have never found myself lacking of a tag in the
> Subject field to properly sort them.
> 

Good for you. However some of us do eye based filtering and want to 
rapidly pick out messages.

Obviously people can filter on numerous headers. Try to adjust your 
thinking a bit and realize that maybe just maybe we are intelligent and 
know that, and don't want the tag for automated filtering but for visual 
filtering?

It's amazing what happens when one stops and thinks before firing off a 
knee jerk reaction. It's unfortunate that so many engineers take that 
approach. *sighs*



> Cheers,
> Aki
> 

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Marcel Holtmann]

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Hi Charles,

> > pe, 2009-05-22 kello 14:57 +0200, ext Luis Santiago kirjoitti:
> >> Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would
> >> definitely help having a tag to sort things out.
> > 
> > Try filtering based on the List-Id header field. I subscribe to around
> > 100 mailing lists, and have never found myself lacking of a tag in the
> > Subject field to properly sort them.
> > 
> 
> Good for you. However some of us do eye based filtering and want to 
> rapidly pick out messages.
> 
> Obviously people can filter on numerous headers. Try to adjust your 
> thinking a bit and realize that maybe just maybe we are intelligent and 
> know that, and don't want the tag for automated filtering but for visual 
> filtering?
> 
> It's amazing what happens when one stops and thinks before firing off a 
> knee jerk reaction. It's unfortunate that so many engineers take that 
> approach. *sighs*

if you let run all your emails into one INBOX and don't let your mail
server or mail client filter/tag for you, then you might wanna re-think
your method of working. Except you have to much spare time on your hand.

The tags are pretty bad when people have to CC multiple mailing list.
While cross-posting is not a good idea to begin with, in some cases it
can NOT be avoided. And I wanna have that working smoothly. So no tags
on this mailing list.

Regards

Marcel

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Marcel Holtmann wrote:

> 
> if you let run all your emails into one INBOX and don't let your mail
> server or mail client filter/tag for you, then you might wanna re-think
> your method of working. Except you have to much spare time on your hand.

Actually it works very well for me. :)

I get a couple hundred messages per day, and am still able to read all 
of them, and respond to many. I also get a lot of work done.



> 
> The tags are pretty bad when people have to CC multiple mailing list.
> While cross-posting is not a good idea to begin with, in some cases it
> can NOT be avoided. And I wanna have that working smoothly. So no tags
> on this mailing list.

Fair enough. :)

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Luis Santiago wrote:
> I agree on having a tag. It just gets in the way of normal daily email.
> 
> Also, there are people who receive different mailing lists, it would 
> definitely help having a tag to sort things out.
> 

Yep. Exactly. I too would like to see a tag added.


> Regards,
> 
> Luis Santiago
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org 
> <mailto:marcel@holtmann.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Halley,
> 
>      > There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
> 
>     and that is on purpose!
> 
>     I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
>     stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
>     the mailing into a subfolder.
> 
>     Regards
> 
>     Marcel
> 
> 
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     ofono mailing list
>     ofono(a)ofono.org <mailto:ofono@ofono.org>
>     http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ofono mailing list
> ofono(a)ofono.org
> http://lists.ofono.org/listinfo/ofono

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Daniel Ribeiro]

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Em Sex, 2009-05-22 às 10:22 -0700, Charles Wyble escreveu:
> Yep. Exactly. I too would like to see a tag added.

Good, you could have expressed this on a single email instead of 6
emails on the same thread with < 10minutes interval. :)

-- 
Daniel Ribeiro

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Daniel Ribeiro wrote:
> Em Sex, 2009-05-22 às 10:22 -0700, Charles Wyble escreveu:
>> Yep. Exactly. I too would like to see a tag added.
> 
> Good, you could have expressed this on a single email instead of 6
> emails on the same thread with < 10minutes interval. :)

Well I was replying to each one individually and addressing the 
attitudes expressed in them.

Trying to make the (open source) world a better place. :)

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Halley,
> 
>> There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
> 
> and that is on purpose!
> 
> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
> the mailing into a subfolder.




Um. Don't presume that someone is using proprietary software just 
because they ask for a tag. That's a really horrible attitude in my mind.

Some of us have all e-mail come to our inbox for linear reading. I would 
also like to see a tag added to the subject.

It's unfortunate that an open source project outright refuses a request 
instead of attempting to work with it's members and reach a compromise.


The attitude of several posts so far have been rather condescending, and 
as such I don't have high hopes for this project.

Hopefully more refined members of the project at the various corporate 
sponsors will step in and set things right. I realize that many 
engineers have substantial problems relating to ideas/approaches outside 
their way of thinking, and as such often need handlers. Hopefully those 
handlers will emerge here and get this project on the right track.

The suits do serve a purpose. :)

Charles Wyble (suit)

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Marcel Holtmann]

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Hi Charles,

> >> There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
> > 
> > and that is on purpose!
> > 
> > I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
> > stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
> > the mailing into a subfolder.
>
> Um. Don't presume that someone is using proprietary software just 
> because they ask for a tag. That's a really horrible attitude in my mind.
> 
> Some of us have all e-mail come to our inbox for linear reading. I would 
> also like to see a tag added to the subject.

if you like to do that, then that is your choice. Why don't you do your
tagging inside Thuderbird then?

> It's unfortunate that an open source project outright refuses a request 
> instead of attempting to work with it's members and reach a compromise.
>
> The attitude of several posts so far have been rather condescending, and 
> as such I don't have high hopes for this project.
> 
> Hopefully more refined members of the project at the various corporate 
> sponsors will step in and set things right. I realize that many 
> engineers have substantial problems relating to ideas/approaches outside 
> their way of thinking, and as such often need handlers. Hopefully those 
> handlers will emerge here and get this project on the right track.

If you wanna start a flame-war then please find a different mailing
list.

We have to deal with cross-postings eventually and therefore, this
mailing list will not have tags in the subject line.

Regards

Marcel

Re: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Charles Wyble]

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Marcel Holtmann wrote:
> Hi Charles,
> 
>>>> There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list
>>> and that is on purpose!
>>>
>>> I know that for Exchange/Outlook users this must be painful, but I can't
>>> stand these tags that are meaningless anyway. Just automatically sort
>>> the mailing into a subfolder.
>> Um. Don't presume that someone is using proprietary software just 
>> because they ask for a tag. That's a really horrible attitude in my mind.
>>
>> Some of us have all e-mail come to our inbox for linear reading. I would 
>> also like to see a tag added to the subject.
> 
> if you like to do that, then that is your choice. Why don't you do your
> tagging inside Thuderbird then?

I read e-mail via my blackberry as well.


> 
>> It's unfortunate that an open source project outright refuses a request 
>> instead of attempting to work with it's members and reach a compromise.
>>
>> The attitude of several posts so far have been rather condescending, and 
>> as such I don't have high hopes for this project.
>>
>> Hopefully more refined members of the project at the various corporate 
>> sponsors will step in and set things right. I realize that many 
>> engineers have substantial problems relating to ideas/approaches outside 
>> their way of thinking, and as such often need handlers. Hopefully those 
>> handlers will emerge here and get this project on the right track.
> 
> If you wanna start a flame-war then please find a different mailing
> list.

I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm trying to open up engineers 
mindset to alternative approaches. It's something that often needs to be 
done and leads to a better project.

> 
> We have to deal with cross-postings eventually and therefore, this
> mailing list will not have tags in the subject line.

Well that's a reasonable argument and one I can accept.  :)

RE: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

[Guo, Young]

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You started a war :)

Best regards
G2

Guo, Young XiangGuo   SSG/SSD/OTC   Young.Guo at intel.com [O]+86-21-6116-6430 [M]+86-138-1646-3528
From: ofono-bounces(a)ofono.org [mailto:ofono-bounces(a)ofono.org] On Behalf Of Zhao, Halley
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:58 AM
To: ofono(a)ofono.org
Subject: Could you help to add the tag/keyword in mail list title?

There is no tag like [Ofono dev] in the title of this mail list

ZHAO, Halley (Aihua)
Email: halley.zhao(a)intel.com<mailto:aihua.zhao@intel.com>
Tel: +86(21)61166476
iNet: 8821-6476
SSG/OTC/UMD 3W033


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