From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <onestero@redhat.com>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] lru_add_drain_all() vs isolation
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:20:09 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1252405209.7746.38.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090908190148.0CC9.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 19:06 +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 08:56 +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 10:17 +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > [ 774.651779] SysRq : Show Blocked State
> > > > > [ 774.655770] task PC stack pid father
> > > > > [ 774.655770] evolution.bin D ffff8800bc1575f0 0 7349 6459 0x00000000
> > > > > [ 774.676008] ffff8800bc3c9d68 0000000000000086 ffff8800015d9340 ffff8800bb91b780
> > > > > [ 774.676008] 000000000000dd28 ffff8800bc3c9fd8 0000000000013340 0000000000013340
> > > > > [ 774.676008] 00000000000000fd ffff8800015d9340 ffff8800bc1575f0 ffff8800bc157888
> > > > > [ 774.676008] Call Trace:
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff812c4a11>] schedule_timeout+0x2d/0x20c
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff812c4891>] wait_for_common+0xde/0x155
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff8103f1cd>] ? default_wake_function+0x0/0x14
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff810c0e63>] ? lru_add_drain_per_cpu+0x0/0x10
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff810c0e63>] ? lru_add_drain_per_cpu+0x0/0x10
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff812c49ab>] wait_for_completion+0x1d/0x1f
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff8105fdf5>] flush_work+0x7f/0x93
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff8105f870>] ? wq_barrier_func+0x0/0x14
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff81060109>] schedule_on_each_cpu+0xb4/0xed
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff810c0c78>] lru_add_drain_all+0x15/0x17
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff810d1dbd>] sys_mlock+0x2e/0xde
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff8100bc1b>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, something like the below (prone to explode since its utterly
> > > > untested) should (mostly) fix that one case. Something similar needs to
> > > > be done for pretty much all machine wide workqueue thingies, possibly
> > > > also flush_workqueue().
> > >
> > > Can you please explain reproduce way and problem detail?
> > >
> > > AFAIK, mlock() call lru_add_drain_all() _before_ grab semaphoe. Then,
> > > it doesn't cause any deadlock.
> >
> > Suppose you have 2 cpus, cpu1 is busy doing a SCHED_FIFO-99 while(1),
> > cpu0 does mlock()->lru_add_drain_all(), which does
> > schedule_on_each_cpu(), which then waits for all cpus to complete the
> > work. Except that cpu1, which is busy with the RT task, will never run
> > keventd until the RT load goes away.
> >
> > This is not so much an actual deadlock as a serious starvation case.
>
> This seems flush_work vs RT-thread problem, not only lru_add_drain_all().
> Why other workqueue flusher doesn't affect this issue?
flush_work() will only flush workqueues on which work has been enqueued
as Oleg pointed out.
The problem is with lru_add_drain_all() enqueueing work on all
workqueues.
There is nothing that makes lru_add_drain_all() the only such site, its
the one Mike posted to me, and my patch was a way to deal with that.
I also explained that its not only RT related in that the HPC folks also
want to avoid unneeded work -- for them its not starvation but a
performance issue.
In generic we should avoid doing work when there is no work to be done.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Oleg Nesterov <onestero@redhat.com>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] lru_add_drain_all() vs isolation
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:20:09 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1252405209.7746.38.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090908190148.0CC9.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 19:06 +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 08:56 +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > Hi Peter,
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 10:17 +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > [ 774.651779] SysRq : Show Blocked State
> > > > > [ 774.655770] task PC stack pid father
> > > > > [ 774.655770] evolution.bin D ffff8800bc1575f0 0 7349 6459 0x00000000
> > > > > [ 774.676008] ffff8800bc3c9d68 0000000000000086 ffff8800015d9340 ffff8800bb91b780
> > > > > [ 774.676008] 000000000000dd28 ffff8800bc3c9fd8 0000000000013340 0000000000013340
> > > > > [ 774.676008] 00000000000000fd ffff8800015d9340 ffff8800bc1575f0 ffff8800bc157888
> > > > > [ 774.676008] Call Trace:
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff812c4a11>] schedule_timeout+0x2d/0x20c
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff812c4891>] wait_for_common+0xde/0x155
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff8103f1cd>] ? default_wake_function+0x0/0x14
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff810c0e63>] ? lru_add_drain_per_cpu+0x0/0x10
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff810c0e63>] ? lru_add_drain_per_cpu+0x0/0x10
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff812c49ab>] wait_for_completion+0x1d/0x1f
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff8105fdf5>] flush_work+0x7f/0x93
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff8105f870>] ? wq_barrier_func+0x0/0x14
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff81060109>] schedule_on_each_cpu+0xb4/0xed
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff810c0c78>] lru_add_drain_all+0x15/0x17
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff810d1dbd>] sys_mlock+0x2e/0xde
> > > > > [ 774.676008] [<ffffffff8100bc1b>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
> > > >
> > > > FWIW, something like the below (prone to explode since its utterly
> > > > untested) should (mostly) fix that one case. Something similar needs to
> > > > be done for pretty much all machine wide workqueue thingies, possibly
> > > > also flush_workqueue().
> > >
> > > Can you please explain reproduce way and problem detail?
> > >
> > > AFAIK, mlock() call lru_add_drain_all() _before_ grab semaphoe. Then,
> > > it doesn't cause any deadlock.
> >
> > Suppose you have 2 cpus, cpu1 is busy doing a SCHED_FIFO-99 while(1),
> > cpu0 does mlock()->lru_add_drain_all(), which does
> > schedule_on_each_cpu(), which then waits for all cpus to complete the
> > work. Except that cpu1, which is busy with the RT task, will never run
> > keventd until the RT load goes away.
> >
> > This is not so much an actual deadlock as a serious starvation case.
>
> This seems flush_work vs RT-thread problem, not only lru_add_drain_all().
> Why other workqueue flusher doesn't affect this issue?
flush_work() will only flush workqueues on which work has been enqueued
as Oleg pointed out.
The problem is with lru_add_drain_all() enqueueing work on all
workqueues.
There is nothing that makes lru_add_drain_all() the only such site, its
the one Mike posted to me, and my patch was a way to deal with that.
I also explained that its not only RT related in that the HPC folks also
want to avoid unneeded work -- for them its not starvation but a
performance issue.
In generic we should avoid doing work when there is no work to be done.
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[not found] ` <dhb9j-1hp-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
[not found] ` <dhcf5-263-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2009-09-06 2:32 ` question on sched-rt group allocation cap: sched_rt_runtime_us Ani
2009-09-06 6:32 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-06 10:18 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <DDFD17CC94A9BD49A82147DDF7D545C54DC482@exchange.ZeugmaSystems.local>
2009-09-06 15:09 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-07 0:41 ` Anirban Sinha
[not found] ` <1252311463.7586.26.camel@marge.simson.net>
2009-09-07 11:06 ` [rfc] lru_add_drain_all() vs isolation Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 11:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 13:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-07 13:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-07 13:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 13:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 14:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-07 14:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-09-07 14:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 14:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 23:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-07 23:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-08 8:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 8:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 10:06 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-08 10:06 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-08 10:20 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-09-08 10:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 11:41 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-08 11:41 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-08 12:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 12:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 14:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-08 14:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-08 14:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 14:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 15:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-08 15:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-08 15:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 15:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 15:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-08 15:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-09 4:27 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-09 4:27 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-09 14:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-09 14:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-09 23:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-09 23:43 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-10 18:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-10 18:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-09-09 15:39 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-09 15:39 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-09 16:18 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-09-09 16:18 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-09-09 16:46 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-09 16:46 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-09 23:58 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-09 23:58 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-10 1:00 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-10 1:00 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-10 1:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-10 1:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-10 1:23 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-10 1:23 ` Minchan Kim
2009-09-09 2:06 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-09 2:06 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
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[not found] ` <DDFD17CC94A9BD49A82147DDF7D545C54DC485@exchange.ZeugmaSystems.local>
2009-09-07 0:28 ` question on sched-rt group allocation cap: sched_rt_runtime_us Anirban Sinha
2009-09-07 6:54 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <DDFD17CC94A9BD49A82147DDF7D545C54DC489@exchange.ZeugmaSystems.local>
2009-09-08 7:10 ` Anirban Sinha
2009-09-08 9:26 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-09-07 7:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-07 8:24 ` Mike Galbraith
[not found] ` <DDFD17CC94A9BD49A82147DDF7D545C54DC487@exchange.ZeugmaSystems.local>
2009-09-08 7:08 ` Anirban Sinha
2009-09-08 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-08 14:41 ` Anirban Sinha
[not found] ` <DDFD17CC94A9BD49A82147DDF7D545C54DC48B@exchange.ZeugmaSystems.local>
2009-09-08 17:41 ` Anirban Sinha
2009-09-08 19:06 ` Mike Galbraith
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