From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: dipankar@in.ibm.com
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Venkatesh Pallipadi <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
Arun R Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] cpu: pseries: Cpu offline states framework
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:55:14 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1253753715.7103.361.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090916162459.GB12571@in.ibm.com>
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 21:54 +0530, Dipankar Sarma wrote:
> You aren't, I did :)
>
> No, for this specific case, latency isn't an issue. The issue is -
> how do we cede unused vcpus to hypervisor for better energy
> management ?
> Yes, it can be done by a hypervisor manager telling the kernel to
> offline and make a bunch of vcpus "inactive". It does have to choose
> offline (release vcpu) vs. inactive (cede but guranteed if needed).
> The problem is that long ago we exported a lot of hotplug stuff to
> userspace through the sysfs interface and we cannot do something
> inside the kernel without keeping the sysfs stuff consistent.
> This seems like a sane way to do that without undoing all the
> virtual cpu hotplug infrastructure in different supporting archs.
>
Well, I did bring the latency into the picture. To some extent it -is- a
latency issue. Though we aren't talking milliseconds here... if the
CPU's been reallocated to another partition we are talking seconds or
minutes or more until we can get it back :-)
In any case, this sounds to me like a perfectly valid feature to have,
which s390 already does via arch specific hooks, so I fail to see why it
wouldn't be legitimate to have a common attribute for it.
I don't buy into the layering violation. It's too often a straw man and
an excuse for a lack of a proper reason.
Cheers,
Ben.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: dipankar@in.ibm.com
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
Joel Schopp <jschopp@austin.ibm.com>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@in.ibm.com>,
Venkatesh Pallipadi <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Arun R Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] cpu: pseries: Cpu offline states framework
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:55:14 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1253753715.7103.361.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090916162459.GB12571@in.ibm.com>
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 21:54 +0530, Dipankar Sarma wrote:
> You aren't, I did :)
>
> No, for this specific case, latency isn't an issue. The issue is -
> how do we cede unused vcpus to hypervisor for better energy
> management ?
> Yes, it can be done by a hypervisor manager telling the kernel to
> offline and make a bunch of vcpus "inactive". It does have to choose
> offline (release vcpu) vs. inactive (cede but guranteed if needed).
> The problem is that long ago we exported a lot of hotplug stuff to
> userspace through the sysfs interface and we cannot do something
> inside the kernel without keeping the sysfs stuff consistent.
> This seems like a sane way to do that without undoing all the
> virtual cpu hotplug infrastructure in different supporting archs.
>
Well, I did bring the latency into the picture. To some extent it -is- a
latency issue. Though we aren't talking milliseconds here... if the
CPU's been reallocated to another partition we are talking seconds or
minutes or more until we can get it back :-)
In any case, this sounds to me like a perfectly valid feature to have,
which s390 already does via arch specific hooks, so I fail to see why it
wouldn't be legitimate to have a common attribute for it.
I don't buy into the layering violation. It's too often a straw man and
an excuse for a lack of a proper reason.
Cheers,
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-09-24 0:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-09-15 12:06 [PATCH v3 0/3] cpu: pseries: Cpu offline states framework Gautham R Shenoy
2009-09-15 12:07 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] pSeries: cede latency specifier helper function Gautham R Shenoy
2009-09-15 14:45 ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-15 14:45 ` Daniel Walker
2009-09-15 12:07 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] cpu: Offline state Framework Gautham R Shenoy
2009-09-30 17:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2009-09-30 17:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2009-09-15 12:07 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] cpu: Implement cpu-offline-state callbacks for pSeries Gautham R Shenoy
2009-09-15 12:11 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] cpu: pseries: Cpu offline states framework Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-15 12:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-15 13:21 ` Michael Ellerman
2009-09-15 14:58 ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-15 14:58 ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-16 7:48 ` Heiko Carstens
2009-09-16 7:48 ` Heiko Carstens
2009-09-24 0:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-24 0:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-16 15:28 ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-16 15:28 ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-16 15:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 15:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 16:24 ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-16 16:24 ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-16 16:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 16:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 17:03 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-16 17:03 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-16 17:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 17:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-16 20:17 ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-16 20:17 ` Dipankar Sarma
2009-09-24 0:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2009-09-24 0:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-24 0:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-24 0:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-25 14:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-25 14:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-25 21:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-25 21:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-09-28 13:53 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-28 13:53 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-28 13:51 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-28 13:51 ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-26 9:55 ` Pavel Machek
2009-09-26 9:55 ` Pavel Machek
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