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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>,
	Joel Schopp <jschopp@austin.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@in.ibm.com>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	Venkatesh Pallipadi <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [v6 PATCH 0/7]: cpuidle/x86/POWER: Cleanup idle power management code in x86, cleanup drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c and introduce cpuidle to POWER.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:54:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1253868864.10287.3.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090925070623.GH8595@dirshya.in.ibm.com>

On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 12:36 +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote:
> * Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> [2009-09-24 14:22:28]:
> 
> > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:42:41 +0530
> > Arun R Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > * Arun R Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com> [2009-09-22 16:55:27]:
> > > 
> > > Hi Len, (or other acpi folks),
> > > 
> > > I had a question regarding ACPI-cpuidle interaction in the current
> > > implementation.
> > > 
> > > Currently, every cpu (i.e. acpi_processor) registers to cpuidle as
> > > a cpuidle_device. So every cpu has to go through the process of
> > > setting up the idle states and then registering as a cpuidle device.
> > > 
> > > What exactly is the reason behind this?
> > > 
> > 
> > technically a BIOS can opt to give you C states via ACPI on some cpus,
> > but not on others.
> > 
> > in practice when this happens it tends to be a bug.. but it's
> > technically a valid configuration
> 
> So we will need to keep the per-cpu registration as of now because we
> may have such buggy BIOS in the field and we don't want the cpuidle
> framework to malfunction there.

If the BIOS doesn't mention a certain C state on a cpu, and you try to
set it anyway, does that go boom?

This whole per-cpu registration thing is horridly ugly, can't you have a
per-cpu C state exception mask and leave it at that -- if its really
needed?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>,
	Venkatesh Pallipadi <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [v6 PATCH 0/7]: cpuidle/x86/POWER: Cleanup idle power management code in x86, cleanup drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c and introduce cpuidle to POWER.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:54:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1253868864.10287.3.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090925070623.GH8595@dirshya.in.ibm.com>

On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 12:36 +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote:
> * Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> [2009-09-24 14:22:28]:
> 
> > On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:42:41 +0530
> > Arun R Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > * Arun R Bharadwaj <arun@linux.vnet.ibm.com> [2009-09-22 16:55:27]:
> > > 
> > > Hi Len, (or other acpi folks),
> > > 
> > > I had a question regarding ACPI-cpuidle interaction in the current
> > > implementation.
> > > 
> > > Currently, every cpu (i.e. acpi_processor) registers to cpuidle as
> > > a cpuidle_device. So every cpu has to go through the process of
> > > setting up the idle states and then registering as a cpuidle device.
> > > 
> > > What exactly is the reason behind this?
> > > 
> > 
> > technically a BIOS can opt to give you C states via ACPI on some cpus,
> > but not on others.
> > 
> > in practice when this happens it tends to be a bug.. but it's
> > technically a valid configuration
> 
> So we will need to keep the per-cpu registration as of now because we
> may have such buggy BIOS in the field and we don't want the cpuidle
> framework to malfunction there.

If the BIOS doesn't mention a certain C state on a cpu, and you try to
set it anyway, does that go boom?

This whole per-cpu registration thing is horridly ugly, can't you have a
per-cpu C state exception mask and leave it at that -- if its really
needed?

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-25  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-22 11:25 [v6 PATCH 0/7]: cpuidle/x86/POWER: Cleanup idle power management code in x86, cleanup drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c and introduce cpuidle to POWER Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:25 ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:27 ` [v6 PATCH 1/7]: cpuidle: cleanup drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:27   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:28 ` [v6 PATCH 2/7]: cpuidle: implement a list based approach to register a set of idle routines Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:28   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:29 ` [v6 PATCH 3/7]: x86: refactor x86 idle power management code and remove all instances of pm_idle Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:29   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:30 ` [v6 PATCH 4/7]: POWER: enable cpuidle for POWER Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:30   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:31 ` [v6 PATCH 5/7]: pSeries/cpuidle: remove dedicate/shared idle loops, which will be moved to arch/powerpc/platforms/pseries/processor_idle.c Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:31   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:32 ` [v6 PATCH 6/7]: POWER: add a default_idle idle loop for POWER Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:32   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:33 ` [v6 PATCH 7/7]: pSeries: implement pSeries processor idle module Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-22 11:33   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-24  5:12 ` [v6 PATCH 0/7]: cpuidle/x86/POWER: Cleanup idle power management code in x86, cleanup drivers/cpuidle/cpuidle.c and introduce cpuidle to POWER Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-24  5:12   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-24  5:12   ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-24 12:22   ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-24 12:22     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-25  7:06     ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-25  7:06       ` Vaidyanathan Srinivasan
2009-09-25  8:54       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-09-25  8:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-09-25  9:35         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-25  9:35           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-09-25  7:20     ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-25  7:20       ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-25  7:20       ` Balbir Singh
2009-09-25 17:08 ` Arun R Bharadwaj
2009-09-25 17:08   ` Arun R Bharadwaj

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