From: "Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>
To: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Paulius Zaleckas <paulius.zaleckas@gmail.com>,
Michal Suchanek <hramrach@centrum.cz>
Subject: Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:13:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1268302426.7444.117.camel@thor.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a728f9f91003101010m4fc94398l14c8625d7442100a@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:10 -0500, Alex Deucher wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:42 PM, James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> See my other post about what fbdev really means in its historical
> >> context. The struct fb_info really maps better to drm_crtc than to
> >> drm_framebuffer. In fact take the case of the matrox fbdev driver. It
> >> creates two framebuffer devices even tho it used one static framebuffer.
> >> What the driver does is splits the framebuffer in two and assigned each
> >> part to a CRTC.
> >
> > The only problem with that is that it eats a lot of memory for the
> > console which limits X when it starts. On cards with limited vram ,
> > you might not have enough memory left for any meaningful acceleration
> > when X starts.
>
> It would be nice to find a way to reclaim the console memory for X,
> but I'm not sure that can be done and still provide a good way to
> provide oops support.
What do you think the average user will care about more?
* Seeing kernel oops/panic output about once in a lifetime.
* Being able to start/use X in the first place and enabling it to
use all of VRAM.
Personally, I've never even seen any kernel oops/panic output despite
numerous opportunities for that in the couple of months I've been using
KMS. But I have spent considerable time and effort trying to get rid of
the pinned fbcon BO. If the oops/panic output is the only thing
preventing that, maybe that should only be enabled via some module
option for developers.
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From: "Michel Dänzer" <michel@daenzer.net>
To: Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-fbdev-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
Paulius Zaleckas <paulius.zaleckas@gmail.com>,
Michal Suchanek <hramrach@centrum.cz>
Subject: Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:13:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1268302426.7444.117.camel@thor.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a728f9f91003101010m4fc94398l14c8625d7442100a@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 13:10 -0500, Alex Deucher wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Alex Deucher <alexdeucher@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:42 PM, James Simmons <jsimmons@infradead.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> See my other post about what fbdev really means in its historical
> >> context. The struct fb_info really maps better to drm_crtc than to
> >> drm_framebuffer. In fact take the case of the matrox fbdev driver. It
> >> creates two framebuffer devices even tho it used one static framebuffer.
> >> What the driver does is splits the framebuffer in two and assigned each
> >> part to a CRTC.
> >
> > The only problem with that is that it eats a lot of memory for the
> > console which limits X when it starts. On cards with limited vram ,
> > you might not have enough memory left for any meaningful acceleration
> > when X starts.
>
> It would be nice to find a way to reclaim the console memory for X,
> but I'm not sure that can be done and still provide a good way to
> provide oops support.
What do you think the average user will care about more?
* Seeing kernel oops/panic output about once in a lifetime.
* Being able to start/use X in the first place and enabling it to
use all of VRAM.
Personally, I've never even seen any kernel oops/panic output despite
numerous opportunities for that in the couple of months I've been using
KMS. But I have spent considerable time and effort trying to get rid of
the pinned fbcon BO. If the oops/panic output is the only thing
preventing that, maybe that should only be enabled via some module
option for developers.
--
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-20 13:16 [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode Paulius Zaleckas
2009-11-20 15:55 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video Clemens Ladisch
2009-11-20 18:53 ` James Simmons
2009-11-20 19:05 ` Andrew Morton
2009-11-20 19:39 ` Paulius Zaleckas
2009-11-20 20:01 ` James Simmons
2009-11-20 20:13 ` Paulius Zaleckas
2009-11-20 20:48 ` James Simmons
2009-11-21 4:25 ` Dave Airlie
2009-11-21 4:27 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-01 9:18 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode Michal Suchanek
2010-03-01 9:18 ` Michal Suchanek
2010-03-03 5:02 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-03 5:02 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-03 8:23 ` Michal Suchanek
2010-03-03 8:23 ` Michal Suchanek
2010-03-03 9:23 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-03 9:23 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-03 10:32 ` Michal Suchanek
2010-03-03 10:32 ` Michal Suchanek
2010-03-10 18:11 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-10 18:11 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-10 21:04 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video Ville Syrjälä
2010-03-10 21:04 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode Ville Syrjälä
2010-03-10 21:16 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video Michal Suchanek
2010-03-10 21:16 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode Michal Suchanek
2010-03-11 2:24 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-11 2:24 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-11 2:22 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-11 2:22 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-11 5:03 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video Ville Syrjälä
2010-03-11 5:03 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode Ville Syrjälä
2010-03-10 18:04 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-10 18:04 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-10 17:42 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-10 17:42 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-10 18:05 ` Alex Deucher
2010-03-10 18:05 ` Alex Deucher
2010-03-10 18:10 ` Alex Deucher
2010-03-10 18:10 ` Alex Deucher
2010-03-10 18:47 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-10 18:47 ` drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-10 19:49 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Michal Suchanek
2010-03-10 19:49 ` Michal Suchanek
2010-03-10 20:06 ` Alex Deucher
2010-03-10 20:06 ` Alex Deucher
2010-03-11 10:13 ` Michel Dänzer [this message]
2010-03-11 10:13 ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-11 10:31 ` Pauli Nieminen
2010-03-11 10:31 ` Pauli Nieminen
2010-03-11 15:12 ` Alex Deucher
2010-03-11 15:12 ` Alex Deucher
2010-03-11 15:17 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-11 15:17 ` drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-11 15:47 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Michal Suchanek
2010-03-11 15:47 ` Michal Suchanek
2010-03-12 14:52 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-12 14:52 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-12 20:51 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-12 20:51 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-13 14:40 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-13 14:40 ` drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-13 21:01 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Dave Airlie
2010-03-13 21:01 ` Dave Airlie
2010-03-14 11:41 ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-14 11:41 ` Michel Dänzer
2010-03-15 18:38 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-15 18:38 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-16 13:46 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video Michel Dänzer
2010-03-16 13:46 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode Michel Dänzer
2010-03-16 13:56 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-16 13:56 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-16 14:00 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video Michel Dänzer
2010-03-16 14:00 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode Michel Dänzer
2010-03-25 12:30 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-25 12:30 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-15 18:22 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-15 18:22 ` drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-10 20:58 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] " Michal Suchanek
2010-03-10 20:58 ` Michal Suchanek
2010-03-11 3:41 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-11 3:41 ` drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
2010-03-10 17:35 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video James Simmons
2010-03-10 17:35 ` [Linux-fbdev-devel] drm_fb_helper: Impossible to change video mode James Simmons
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