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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mmotm 1/5] memcg: disable irq at page cgroup lock
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:19:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1272057549.1821.44.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xr93k4rxx6sd.fsf@ninji.mtv.corp.google.com>

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 13:17 -0700, Greg Thelen wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting idea.  If this applies to memcg dirty accounting,
> then would it also apply to system-wide dirty accounting?  I don't think
> so, but I wanted to float the idea.  It looks like this proportions.c
> code is good is at comparing the rates of events (for example: per-task
> dirty page events).  However, in the case of system-wide dirty
> accounting we also want to consider the amount of dirty memory, not just
> the rate at which it is being dirtied.

Correct, the whole proportion thing is purely about comparing rates of
events.

> The performance of simple irqsave locking or more advanced RCU locking
> is similar to current locking (non-irqsave/non-rcu) for several
> workloads (kernel build, dd).  Using a micro-benchmark some differences
> are seen:
> * irqsave is 1% slower than mmotm non-irqsave/non-rcu locking.
> * RCU locking is 4% faster than mmotm non-irqsave/non-rcu locking.
> * RCU locking is 5% faster than irqsave locking.

Depending on what architecture you care about local_t might also be an
option, it uses per-cpu irq/nmi safe instructions (and falls back to
local_irq_save/restore for architectures lacking this support).




WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Andrea Righi <arighi@develer.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mmotm 1/5] memcg: disable irq at page cgroup lock
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:19:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1272057549.1821.44.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xr93k4rxx6sd.fsf@ninji.mtv.corp.google.com>

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 13:17 -0700, Greg Thelen wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting idea.  If this applies to memcg dirty accounting,
> then would it also apply to system-wide dirty accounting?  I don't think
> so, but I wanted to float the idea.  It looks like this proportions.c
> code is good is at comparing the rates of events (for example: per-task
> dirty page events).  However, in the case of system-wide dirty
> accounting we also want to consider the amount of dirty memory, not just
> the rate at which it is being dirtied.

Correct, the whole proportion thing is purely about comparing rates of
events.

> The performance of simple irqsave locking or more advanced RCU locking
> is similar to current locking (non-irqsave/non-rcu) for several
> workloads (kernel build, dd).  Using a micro-benchmark some differences
> are seen:
> * irqsave is 1% slower than mmotm non-irqsave/non-rcu locking.
> * RCU locking is 4% faster than mmotm non-irqsave/non-rcu locking.
> * RCU locking is 5% faster than irqsave locking.

Depending on what architecture you care about local_t might also be an
option, it uses per-cpu irq/nmi safe instructions (and falls back to
local_irq_save/restore for architectures lacking this support).



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-23 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 206+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-14 23:26 [PATCH -mmotm 0/5] memcg: per cgroup dirty limit (v7) Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26 ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26 ` [PATCH -mmotm 1/5] memcg: disable irq at page cgroup lock Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-15  0:06   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15  0:06     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]     ` <20100315090638.ee416d93.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-15 10:00       ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-15 10:00     ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-15 10:00       ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-17  7:04   ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17  7:04     ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]   ` <1268609202-15581-2-git-send-email-arighi-vWjgImWzx8FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-15  0:06     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17  7:04     ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 11:58     ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 11:58   ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 11:58     ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]     ` <20100317115855.GS18054-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-17 23:54       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 23:54     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-17 23:54       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]       ` <20100318085411.834e1e46.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-18  0:45         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  4:19         ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18  0:45       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  0:45         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]         ` <20100318094519.cd1eed72.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-18  2:16           ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-18  2:16         ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-18  2:16           ` Daisuke Nishimura
     [not found]           ` <20100318111653.92f899e6.nishimura-YQH0OdQVrdy45+QrQBaojngSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-18  2:58             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  5:12             ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18  2:58           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  2:58             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  5:12           ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18  5:12             ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18  4:19       ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18  4:19         ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18  4:21         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  4:21           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]           ` <20100318132114.d5680e1e.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-18  6:25             ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18  6:25           ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18  6:25             ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]         ` <20100318041944.GA18054-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-18  4:21           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  4:35           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  4:35         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18  4:35           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-18 16:28           ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-18 16:28             ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]             ` <20100318162855.GG18054-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-19  1:23               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-19  1:23             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-19  1:23               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-19  2:40               ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-19  2:40                 ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-19  3:00                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-19  3:00                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                   ` <xr93hbnepmj6.fsf@ninji.mtv.corp.google.com>
2010-04-14  6:55                     ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-14  6:55                       ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-14  9:29                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-14  9:29                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-14 14:04                         ` Vivek Goyal
2010-04-14 14:04                           ` Vivek Goyal
2010-04-14 19:31                           ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-14 19:31                             ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]                           ` <20100414140430.GB13535-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-14 19:31                             ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-15  0:14                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-15  0:14                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-15  0:14                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                         ` <20100414182904.2f72a63d.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-14 14:04                           ` Vivek Goyal
2010-04-14 16:22                           ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-14 16:22                         ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-14 16:22                           ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-15  0:22                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-15  0:22                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                           ` <p2k49b004811004140922v8b6c4c57j2dd435261ff2dd43-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-15  0:22                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]                       ` <xr931veiplpr.fsf-Pk7ff2FLCuk9fRMx9H/SexPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-14  9:29                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-14 14:05                         ` Vivek Goyal
2010-04-14 14:44                         ` Balbir Singh
2010-04-14 14:05                       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-04-14 14:05                         ` Vivek Goyal
2010-04-14 20:14                         ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-14 20:14                           ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]                           ` <xr9339yxyepc.fsf-Pk7ff2FLCuk9fRMx9H/SexPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-15  2:40                             ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-04-15  2:40                           ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-04-15  2:40                             ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-04-15  4:48                             ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-15  4:48                               ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]                               ` <g2u49b004811004142148i3db9fefaje1f20760426e0c7e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-15  6:21                                 ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-04-15  6:21                               ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-04-15  6:21                                 ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-04-15  6:38                                 ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-15  6:38                                   ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]                                 ` <20100415152104.62593f37.nishimura-YQH0OdQVrdy45+QrQBaojngSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-15  6:38                                   ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-15  6:54                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-15  6:54                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-15  6:54                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-23 20:17                                   ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-23 20:17                                     ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-23 20:54                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-23 20:54                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-24 15:53                                       ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-24 15:53                                       ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-24 15:53                                         ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]                                     ` <xr93k4rxx6sd.fsf-Pk7ff2FLCuk9fRMx9H/SexPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-23 20:54                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-23 20:57                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-23 21:19                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-24  2:19                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-23 20:57                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-23 20:57                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-24  2:22                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-24  2:22                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-24  2:22                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-23 21:19                                     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-04-23 21:19                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-04-24  2:19                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-24  2:19                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-04-23 20:17                                   ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]                             ` <20100415114022.ef01b704.nishimura-YQH0OdQVrdy45+QrQBaojngSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-15  4:48                               ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]                         ` <20100414140523.GC13535-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-14 20:14                           ` Greg Thelen
2010-04-14 14:44                       ` Balbir Singh
2010-04-14 14:44                         ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]                   ` <xr93hbnepmj6.fsf-Pk7ff2FLCuk9fRMx9H/SexPsWskHk0ljAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-14  6:55                     ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]                 ` <20100319024039.GH18054-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-19  3:00                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]               ` <20100319102332.f1d81c8d.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-19  2:40                 ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]           ` <20100318133527.420b2f25.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-18 16:28             ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-14 23:26 ` [PATCH -mmotm 2/5] memcg: dirty memory documentation Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]   ` <1268609202-15581-3-git-send-email-arighi-vWjgImWzx8FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-16  7:41     ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-16  7:41   ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-16  7:41     ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-17 17:48     ` Greg Thelen
2010-03-17 17:48       ` Greg Thelen
     [not found]       ` <49b004811003171048h5f27405oe6ea39a103bc4ee3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-17 19:02         ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 19:02       ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 19:02         ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]     ` <20100316164121.024e35d8.nishimura-YQH0OdQVrdy45+QrQBaojngSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-17 17:48       ` Greg Thelen
2010-03-17 22:43       ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-17 22:43     ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-17 22:43       ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26 ` [PATCH -mmotm 3/5] page_cgroup: introduce file cache flags Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26 ` [PATCH -mmotm 4/5] memcg: dirty pages accounting and limiting infrastructure Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-15  2:26   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15  2:26     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
     [not found]   ` <1268609202-15581-5-git-send-email-arighi-vWjgImWzx8FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-15  2:26     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-16  2:32     ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-18  6:48     ` Greg Thelen
2010-03-16  2:32   ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-16  2:32     ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-16 14:11     ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-16 14:11       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]       ` <20100316141150.GC9144-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-16 15:09         ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-17 22:37         ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-16 15:09       ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-16 15:09         ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-03-17 22:37       ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-17 22:37         ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]     ` <20100316113238.f7d74848.nishimura-YQH0OdQVrdy45+QrQBaojngSJqDPrsil@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-16 14:11       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 22:52       ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-17 22:52     ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-17 22:52       ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-18  6:48   ` Greg Thelen
2010-03-18  6:48     ` Greg Thelen
2010-03-14 23:26 ` [PATCH -mmotm 5/5] memcg: dirty pages instrumentation Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]   ` <1268609202-15581-6-git-send-email-arighi-vWjgImWzx8FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-15  2:31     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15  2:31   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15  2:31     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15  2:36 ` [PATCH -mmotm 0/5] memcg: per cgroup dirty limit (v7) KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15  2:36   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15 10:02   ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-15 10:02     ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]   ` <20100315113612.8411d92d.kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-15 10:02     ` Andrea Righi
2010-03-15 17:12 ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-15 17:12   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]   ` <20100315171209.GI21127-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-15 17:19     ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-15 17:19   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-15 17:19     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20100315171921.GJ21127-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-17 11:54       ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 11:54     ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 11:54       ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]       ` <20100317115427.GR18054-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-17 13:34         ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 13:34       ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 13:34         ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 18:53         ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 18:53           ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]           ` <20100317185327.GV18054-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-17 19:15             ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 19:15           ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 19:15             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20100317133407.GA9198-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-17 18:53           ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 19:17           ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 19:17         ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 19:17           ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17 19:48           ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17 19:48             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]           ` <20100317191743.GY18054-SINUvgVNF2CyUtPGxGje5AC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-17 19:48             ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17  6:44 ` Balbir Singh
2010-03-17  6:44   ` Balbir Singh
     [not found] ` <1268609202-15581-1-git-send-email-arighi-vWjgImWzx8FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-14 23:26   ` [PATCH -mmotm 1/5] memcg: disable irq at page cgroup lock Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` [PATCH -mmotm 2/5] memcg: dirty memory documentation Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` [PATCH -mmotm 3/5] page_cgroup: introduce file cache flags Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` [PATCH -mmotm 4/5] memcg: dirty pages accounting and limiting infrastructure Andrea Righi
2010-03-14 23:26   ` [PATCH -mmotm 5/5] memcg: dirty pages instrumentation Andrea Righi
2010-03-15  2:36   ` [PATCH -mmotm 0/5] memcg: per cgroup dirty limit (v7) KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-03-15 17:12   ` Vivek Goyal
2010-03-17  6:44   ` Balbir Singh
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-09 23:00 [PATCH -mmotm 0/5] memcg: per cgroup dirty limit (v6) Andrea Righi
2010-03-09 23:00 ` [PATCH -mmotm 1/5] memcg: disable irq at page cgroup lock Andrea Righi
2010-03-09 23:00   ` Andrea Righi
     [not found] ` <1268175636-4673-1-git-send-email-arighi-vWjgImWzx8FBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-09 23:00   ` Andrea Righi

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