From: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
To: Brian Bloniarz <bmb@athenacr.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Venkatesh Pallipadi <venki@google.com>,
chris.mason@oracle.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Export tsc related information in sysfs
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:49:50 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1274903390.3383.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BFD6C2B.4070403@athenacr.com>
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:44 -0400, Brian Bloniarz wrote:
> On 05/26/2010 12:25 PM, john stultz wrote:
> > Brian: is this something the NTPd folks actually want? Has anyone
> > checked with them before we hand down the solution from high upon on
> > lkml mountain?
>
> I haven't checked, it's been a while since I dealt with
> this problem. The NTP maintainers definitely complain about the
> quick TSC calibration code like it's a bug:
> (e.g. http://www.mail-archive.com/questions@lists.ntp.org/msg02079.html).
> Anyway I'll reach out before I spend any time investing in
> a solution that they don't want (and you don't like :).
>
> > Personally I think NTPd should be a little more savvy about how far it
> > trusts the drift file when it starts up. Since I believe its
> > fast-startup mode can quickly estimate the drift well within 100ppm,
> > which is about the maximum variance I've seen from the calibration code.
>
> The workaround we went with was to remove the drift file on
> every reboot. But in our experience, even with iburst, converging takes
> a long time. I don't have hard numbers since it's been a long time since
> I investigated the problem, but we defined failure as >1ms offset syncing
> to a server in our LAN, and a cold NTP boot takes 10-20 hours to get
> there.
Ok. If its been awhile, you may find recent kernels (2.6.31+) are much
faster to converge due to adjustments made to the SHIFT_PLL constant.
This was done explicitly to address issues similar to what you describe
above.
thanks
-john
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-05-26 19:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-20 19:19 [PATCH] x86: Export tsc related information in sysfs Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-22 2:03 ` john stultz
2010-05-22 3:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 18:13 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-24 18:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 18:51 ` john stultz
2010-05-24 20:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 20:39 ` john stultz
2010-05-24 21:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 22:04 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-24 22:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 22:49 ` john stultz
2010-05-24 23:16 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-24 23:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-24 23:30 ` john stultz
2010-05-24 23:42 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-25 0:01 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-25 0:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-25 1:33 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 0:16 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 0:48 ` john stultz
2010-05-26 2:50 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 12:35 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-26 14:26 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-26 14:41 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-26 15:04 ` john stultz
2010-05-26 16:02 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 16:25 ` john stultz
2010-05-26 18:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-26 18:44 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 18:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-26 20:19 ` john stultz
2010-05-26 21:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-26 19:49 ` john stultz [this message]
2010-05-26 20:22 ` Brian Bloniarz
2010-05-26 12:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-15 1:40 Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-15 9:57 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-15 13:29 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-15 16:48 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2010-05-15 19:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-15 22:32 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-16 5:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-16 9:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-16 16:42 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-16 19:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-17 1:31 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-17 5:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-18 9:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 10:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 11:25 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-18 11:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 15:13 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 16:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-18 17:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 17:49 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 18:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 19:00 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 19:16 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 19:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 20:29 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 20:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-05-18 21:02 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 21:13 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-19 6:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-05-17 10:20 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-16 20:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-05-17 10:26 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-04 14:24 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-15 22:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-17 10:22 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-17 15:23 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-17 16:56 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-17 22:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-05-17 23:33 ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-05-18 0:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-18 0:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-15 12:35 ` Jaswinder Singh Rajput
2010-05-15 14:37 ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
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