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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 17/17] writeback: lessen sync_supers wakeup count
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:07:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1275314820.2678.153.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100527065041.GA31073@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 07:50 +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> Note, e.g., that in your series you've touched udf; it can set s_dirt
> until the cows come home, but without ->write_super() it'll be ignored
> by everything in VFS and fs/udf itself never looks at the damn thing.
> 
> A look around it shows fs/sysv, where we never clean the damn flag anymore
> for r/w mounts.  Yes, really (got broken a year ago, nobody noticed).
> 
> Or, e.g., BFS - there we have ->write_super() mark the buffer_head that
> contains on-disk sb dirty, and the only place that sets ->s_dirt is doing
> that immediately after having marked the same bh dirty itself.  Interesting
> place, at that - bfs_fill_super() at r/w mount time...  Note that ->sync_fs()
> there does *not* wait for anything, which is not the right thing to do.
> 
> IOW, this thing is a good topic for code review; I suspect that quite a few
> users might be gone as the result.

Al,

you requested me to review s_dirt usage, well, I'm trying now. One thing
I do not understand is s_dirt serialization, which seems to be just
absent in some FSes. I checked affs and ext2. E.g., affs does:

affs_alloc_block()
{
        mark_buffer_dirty(bh);
        sb->s_dirt = 1;
}

vs

affs_write_super()
{
	affs_commit_super();
	/* YYY: what if sb is marked as dirty right here? */
	sb->s_dirt = 0;
}

vs

/* This wakes up periodically */
sync_super()
{
	if (sb->s_root && sb->s_dirt)
		sb->s_op->write_super(sb);
}

ext2 seems to be doing something similar. It seems to me that FSes
should serialize s_dirt changes somehow, but they don't? Why this is not
a problem?

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)


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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 17/17] writeback: lessen sync_supers wakeup count
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:07:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1275314820.2678.153.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100527065041.GA31073@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 07:50 +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> Note, e.g., that in your series you've touched udf; it can set s_dirt
> until the cows come home, but without ->write_super() it'll be ignored
> by everything in VFS and fs/udf itself never looks at the damn thing.
> 
> A look around it shows fs/sysv, where we never clean the damn flag anymore
> for r/w mounts.  Yes, really (got broken a year ago, nobody noticed).
> 
> Or, e.g., BFS - there we have ->write_super() mark the buffer_head that
> contains on-disk sb dirty, and the only place that sets ->s_dirt is doing
> that immediately after having marked the same bh dirty itself.  Interesting
> place, at that - bfs_fill_super() at r/w mount time...  Note that ->sync_fs()
> there does *not* wait for anything, which is not the right thing to do.
> 
> IOW, this thing is a good topic for code review; I suspect that quite a few
> users might be gone as the result.

Al,

you requested me to review s_dirt usage, well, I'm trying now. One thing
I do not understand is s_dirt serialization, which seems to be just
absent in some FSes. I checked affs and ext2. E.g., affs does:

affs_alloc_block()
{
        mark_buffer_dirty(bh);
        sb->s_dirt = 1;
}

vs

affs_write_super()
{
	affs_commit_super();
	/* YYY: what if sb is marked as dirty right here? */
	sb->s_dirt = 0;
}

vs

/* This wakes up periodically */
sync_super()
{
	if (sb->s_root && sb->s_dirt)
		sb->s_op->write_super(sb);
}

ext2 seems to be doing something similar. It seems to me that FSes
should serialize s_dirt changes somehow, but they don't? Why this is not
a problem?

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-31 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-25 13:48 [PATCHv4 00/17] kill unnecessary SB sync wake-ups Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:48 ` [PATCHv4 01/17] VFS: introduce helpers for the s_dirty flag Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-28 20:23   ` Andrew Morton
2010-05-28 21:14     ` Al Viro
2010-05-28 21:17       ` Andrew Morton
2010-05-29  8:11         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-29  8:11           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-06-09 15:44         ` tytso
2010-06-09 15:49           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-06-09 15:49             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-06-09 16:31           ` Andrew Morton
2010-06-09 22:33             ` Al Viro
2010-05-29  7:59     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-29  7:59       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:48 ` [PATCHv4 02/17] AFFS: do not manipulate s_dirt directly Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:48 ` [PATCHv4 03/17] BFS: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:48 ` [PATCHv4 04/17] BTRFS: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 05/17] EXOFS: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-26 15:12   ` Boaz Harrosh
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 06/17] EXT2: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 07/17] EXT4: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 08/17] FAT: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 09/17] HFS: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 10/17] HFSPLUS: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 11/17] JFFS2: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 12/17] reiserfs: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 13/17] SYSV: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 14/17] UDF: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 14:06   ` Jan Kara
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 15/17] UFS: " Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 16/17] VFS: rename s_dirt to s_dirty Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-25 13:49 ` [PATCHv4 17/17] writeback: lessen sync_supers wakeup count Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-27  6:50   ` Al Viro
2010-05-27  7:22     ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-27  9:08       ` Al Viro
2010-05-27 10:51       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-27 10:51         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-27 12:07         ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-27 15:21           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-27 15:44             ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-27 16:04               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-31  8:25               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-31  8:38                 ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-31  9:04                   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-31  9:04                     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-31 12:47                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-05-31 13:03                       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-31 13:03                         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-27 10:19     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-31 14:07     ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2010-05-31 14:07       ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-06-04  4:26       ` Al Viro
2010-06-04  5:13         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-28 20:29   ` Andrew Morton
2010-05-29  8:03     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-05-29  8:03       ` Artem Bityutskiy

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