Re: OE recipe tree quality

[Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>]

On Sun, 2010-08-01 at 10:05 -0400, Philip Balister wrote:
> On 07/31/2010 07:12 PM, Richard Purdie wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 10:34 +0200, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote:
> >> 2010/7/30 Koen Kooi<k.kooi@student.utwente.nl>
> >>> On 30-07-10 09:21, Esben Haabendal wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Philip Balister<philip@balister.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>> On 07/29/2010 05:45 AM, Koen Kooi wrote:
> >
> >>>>>> I would actually advocate removing the 'world' feature from bitbake/OE
> >>>>>> to stop people from wasting time on looking at bitbake world and have
> >>>>>> them fix actual problems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> bitbake world seems to be the source of pointless listserv discussions.
> >>> Does
> >>>>> it serve any purpose?
> >>>>
> >>>> Pointless or not really depends on how you look at quality.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you look at it as you, Koen and other OE long-timers, yes, it looks
> >>>> rather pointless to have bitbake world.
> >>>> But for those of us who have a different view on what quality is, then
> >>>> bitbake world serves a purpose.
> >>>
> >>> As Thomas points out, as soon as you start blacklisting things (which
> >>> actually increases quality), bitbake world doesn't work anymore.
> >>
> >> Blacklisting does *NOT* increase quality. It just hides the problem and as
> >> such it is ostrich behaviour.
> >>
> >> Instead of masking the problem, better fix things. That is what improves
> >> quality!
> >>
> >> For me a non building recipe is a sign of poor quality.
> >>
> >> BTW: to avoid the blacklisting issue, I've restarted my test with minimal
> >> distro.
> >> Results will probably be available after the weekend.
> >
> > "world" is used by Poky quite successfully. In Poky we expect everything
> > to build with a known list of things that don't. Our aim is to have that
> > list consisting of zero items and I intend to see that happens :).
> 
> But Poky operates under different conditions than the main OE meta-data. 
> Since you more focus on what Poky builds, you do not need to support the 
> variety of recipes in the OE meta-data.

Totally. I was mainly responding to the "world is useless, we should
remove it" comment and also showing that blacklists are used by others
too, in general with success.

Cheers,

Richard