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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv6 00/15] kill unnecessary bdi wakeups + cleanups
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:11:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1280844681.15689.59.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C580B1C.3020409@kernel.dk>

On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 14:27 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2010-07-25 13:29, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > here is v6 of the patch series which clean-ups bdi threads and substantially
> > lessens amount of unnecessary kernel wake-ups, which is very important on
> > battery-powered devices.
> > 
> > This patch-set is also available at:
> > git://git.infradead.org/users/dedekind/misc-2.6.git flushers_v6
> 
> Thanks Artem, for sticking around long enough to get this into
> shape. I have finally merged it.
> 
> > 1. Use 'spin_lock_bh' for the 'bdi->wb_lock' (changed patch N12)
> 
> I'd rather not, question is how to avoid it. Either just wakeup the
> default thread, or punt the lock-and-check bdi->wb.task to a thread.

Jens, here are my quick thoughts, will come back to this tomorrow.

The spin_lock_bh(&bdi->wb_lock) in 'wakeup_timer_fn()' is needed:

a) to make sure the forker thread does not decide to kill the bdi
   thread at the same time, which could cause an oops on
   'wake_up_process(bdi->wb.task)'.
b) to make sure the forker thread does not decide to spawn a bdi thread
   at the same time, in which case we could lose a wake-up.

I without the "_bh" suffix lockdep complains with a warning. Cannot cite
the complained, but it is a fair warning about a possible deadlock if
the timer function interrupts the CPU while it is already holding the
spinlock, or something like that. The easiest way to address it was to
use "_bh".

The only way to avoid "_bh" I see right now is to not 'bdi->wb_lock' at
all in  'wakeup_timer_fn()'. In this case we cannot touch 'bdi->wb.task'
because it can become NULL at any point of time.

Your first suggestion ("just wakeup the default thread") will work only
if we add a new BDI_wakeup_thread or something like that. Not sure it is
worth it.

The second suggestion ("punt the lock-and-check bdi->wb.task to a
thread") is vague. "A thread" - this must be the forker thread, what
else could that be? So basically this is the same as the first
suggestion - we set a flag in 'bdi->wb.state' and wake up the forker,
which should wake up the bdi thread?

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)


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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv6 00/15] kill unnecessary bdi wakeups + cleanups
Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 17:11:21 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1280844681.15689.59.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C580B1C.3020409@kernel.dk>

On Tue, 2010-08-03 at 14:27 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2010-07-25 13:29, Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > here is v6 of the patch series which clean-ups bdi threads and substantially
> > lessens amount of unnecessary kernel wake-ups, which is very important on
> > battery-powered devices.
> > 
> > This patch-set is also available at:
> > git://git.infradead.org/users/dedekind/misc-2.6.git flushers_v6
> 
> Thanks Artem, for sticking around long enough to get this into
> shape. I have finally merged it.
> 
> > 1. Use 'spin_lock_bh' for the 'bdi->wb_lock' (changed patch N12)
> 
> I'd rather not, question is how to avoid it. Either just wakeup the
> default thread, or punt the lock-and-check bdi->wb.task to a thread.

Jens, here are my quick thoughts, will come back to this tomorrow.

The spin_lock_bh(&bdi->wb_lock) in 'wakeup_timer_fn()' is needed:

a) to make sure the forker thread does not decide to kill the bdi
   thread at the same time, which could cause an oops on
   'wake_up_process(bdi->wb.task)'.
b) to make sure the forker thread does not decide to spawn a bdi thread
   at the same time, in which case we could lose a wake-up.

I without the "_bh" suffix lockdep complains with a warning. Cannot cite
the complained, but it is a fair warning about a possible deadlock if
the timer function interrupts the CPU while it is already holding the
spinlock, or something like that. The easiest way to address it was to
use "_bh".

The only way to avoid "_bh" I see right now is to not 'bdi->wb_lock' at
all in  'wakeup_timer_fn()'. In this case we cannot touch 'bdi->wb.task'
because it can become NULL at any point of time.

Your first suggestion ("just wakeup the default thread") will work only
if we add a new BDI_wakeup_thread or something like that. Not sure it is
worth it.

The second suggestion ("punt the lock-and-check bdi->wb.task to a
thread") is vague. "A thread" - this must be the forker thread, what
else could that be? So basically this is the same as the first
suggestion - we set a flag in 'bdi->wb.state' and wake up the forker,
which should wake up the bdi thread?

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-03 14:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-25 11:29 [PATCHv6 00/15] kill unnecessary bdi wakeups + cleanups Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 01/15] writeback: harmonize writeback threads naming Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 02/15] writeback: fix possible race when creating bdi threads Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 03/15] writeback: do not lose wake-ups in the forker thread - 1 Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 04/15] writeback: do not lose wake-ups in the forker thread - 2 Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 05/15] writeback: do not lose wake-ups in bdi threads Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 06/15] writeback: simplify bdi code a little Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 07/15] writeback: do not remove bdi from bdi_list Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 08/15] writeback: move last_active to bdi Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 09/15] writeback: restructure bdi forker loop a little Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 10/15] writeback: move bdi threads exiting logic to the forker thread Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 11/15] writeback: prevent unnecessary bdi threads wakeups Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 12/15] writeback: optimize periodic bdi thread wakeups Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 13/15] writeback: remove unnecessary init_timer call Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 14/15] writeback: add new tracepoints Artem Bityutskiy
2010-07-25 11:29 ` [PATCHv6 15/15] writeback: cleanup bdi_register Artem Bityutskiy
2010-08-03  4:44 ` [PATCHv6 00/15] kill unnecessary bdi wakeups + cleanups Artem Bityutskiy
2010-08-03 12:27 ` Jens Axboe
2010-08-03 12:37   ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-08-03 12:47     ` Jens Axboe
2010-08-04 11:34       ` Jens Axboe
2010-08-05  9:35         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-08-05  9:35           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2010-08-03 14:11   ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2010-08-03 14:11     ` Artem Bityutskiy

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