From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Tim Pepper <lnxninja@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] update /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches documentation
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:21:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1284600107.20776.640.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100916091215.ef59acd7.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 09:12 +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> I hear a customer's case. His server generates 3-80000+ new dentries per day
> and dentries will be piled up to 1000000+ in a month. This makes open()'s
> performance very bad because Hash-lookup will be heavy. (He has very big memory.)
>
> What we could ask him was
> - rewrite your application. or
> - reboot once in a month (and change hash size) or
> - drop_cache once in a month
>
> Because their servers cannot stop, he used drop_caches once in a month
> while his server is idle, at night. Changing HashSize cannot be a permanent
> fix because he may not stop the server for years.
That is a really interesting case.
They must have a *ton* of completely extra memory laying around. Do
they not have much page cache activity? It usually balances out the
dentry/inode caches.
Would this user be better off with a smaller dentry hash in general? Is
it special hardware that should _have_ a lower default hash size?
> For rare users who have 10000000+ of files and tons of free memory, drop_cache
> can be an emergency help.
In this case, though, would a WARN_ON() in an emergency be such a bad
thing? They evidently know what they're doing, and shouldn't be put off
by it.
-- Dave
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From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Tim Pepper <lnxninja@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] update /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches documentation
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:21:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1284600107.20776.640.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100916091215.ef59acd7.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Thu, 2010-09-16 at 09:12 +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> I hear a customer's case. His server generates 3-80000+ new dentries per day
> and dentries will be piled up to 1000000+ in a month. This makes open()'s
> performance very bad because Hash-lookup will be heavy. (He has very big memory.)
>
> What we could ask him was
> - rewrite your application. or
> - reboot once in a month (and change hash size) or
> - drop_cache once in a month
>
> Because their servers cannot stop, he used drop_caches once in a month
> while his server is idle, at night. Changing HashSize cannot be a permanent
> fix because he may not stop the server for years.
That is a really interesting case.
They must have a *ton* of completely extra memory laying around. Do
they not have much page cache activity? It usually balances out the
dentry/inode caches.
Would this user be better off with a smaller dentry hash in general? Is
it special hardware that should _have_ a lower default hash size?
> For rare users who have 10000000+ of files and tons of free memory, drop_cache
> can be an emergency help.
In this case, though, would a WARN_ON() in an emergency be such a bad
thing? They evidently know what they're doing, and shouldn't be put off
by it.
-- Dave
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-16 1:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-14 23:47 [RFC][PATCH] update /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches documentation Dave Hansen
2010-09-14 23:47 ` Dave Hansen
2010-09-15 4:33 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-15 4:33 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-15 4:53 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-15 4:53 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-15 6:14 ` Dave Hansen
2010-09-15 6:14 ` Dave Hansen
2010-09-15 18:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-09-15 18:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-09-15 19:27 ` Dave Hansen
2010-09-15 19:27 ` Dave Hansen
2010-09-15 21:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-09-15 21:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-09-15 19:24 ` Tim Pepper
2010-09-15 19:24 ` Tim Pepper
2010-09-16 0:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-16 0:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-16 1:21 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2010-09-16 1:21 ` Dave Hansen
2010-09-16 1:33 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-16 1:33 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-09-24 13:02 ` Pavel Machek
2010-09-24 13:02 ` Pavel Machek
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